# How are brackets decided (bug?) **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Created:** [May 15, 2017, 9:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157 "2017-05-15T09:29:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/90 "2017-05-29T12:32:39Z")
> [@Aelthwyn](#): > > The vacations are over. You are having us tomorrow. And you’ll all be setting varied non-troll-grief defences to welcome us back? so caring… ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/91 "2017-05-29T12:32:41Z")
ive made a suggestion, i hope you may like it > [@Guild Wars Ideas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-ideas/12634/28): > > Points addition: > > - Add +1000 gw points to the guild’s total score for each daily win > - at the weekly reset assign “extra points” to each guild - the points are equal to reversed rank of each guild in the guild ranking from before the reset (example: if there were 2381 guilds competing, the 1st guild gets 2381 ‘extra points’ and the last guild in ranking gets 1 extra point) > - the extra points are given to a player for each attack victory - he gets the points that were assigned to the guild he/she defeated, the points are added flat after all % bonuses > > Bracketing: > > - bracketing done stricty depending on the guild war points accumulated, no hidden criteria > > side note: i know top guild would get less points but they can still win all daily wars and stay on top, the difference in extra points within one brackets are only 9 points at most ---
**Author:** ![Aelthwyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/aelthwyn/32/4645_2.png) [@Aelthwyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Aelthwyn)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 12:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/92 "2017-05-29T12:33:33Z")
> [@Jainus](#): > > And you’ll all be setting varied non-troll-grief defences to welcome us back? so caring… Er… I am afraid not… ---
**Author:** ![beanie42](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/beanie42/32/19802_2.png) [@beanie42](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/beanie42)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/93 "2017-05-29T12:58:33Z")
[quote=“Darkness, post:79, topic:24157, full:true”] @Hoguns and @Unrepentant members: Why aren’t you raising more ruckus here? This is absolutely ridiculous! This is the second time that you were basically screwed over with the GW brackets![/quote] We did make a lot of “ruckus” the first few times it happened, and @Saltypatra and @Nimhain both posted that it’s a secret and we’re not entitled to know. Obviously things like making sure we don’t share info from support or use 1-troop defenses is high on their list. Giving us a fair system we can compete with is not. As @htismaqe mentioned, I’m resigned now to our fate. Despite a great history, recent evidence shows the devs simply don’t care about us, or about our future purchases. I don’t have the energy to keep fighting uphill again with people who don’t care, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Emos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/emos/32/5163_2.png) [@Emos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Emos)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/94 "2017-05-29T13:01:47Z")
So what could be the the extra parameters used along with total GW points? Ideas already brought forward have been: 1. Resources spent on Sentinel leveling. 2. Number of GW battle wins regardless of team composition. 3. Number of PvP trophies earned that week. 4. Overall rank of the Guild (lifetime trophies). 5. The number of Daily Guild Wins. Anything else we could be missing? Would be a heck of a job but an interesting project would be to have each Guild Leader in the first bracket compile the above stats this week then compare notes to try and figure out what the heck is going on! ---
**Author:** ![Darkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkness/32/2712_2.png) [@Darkness](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkness)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/95 "2017-05-29T13:08:17Z")
> [@Jainus](#): > > > [@htismaqe](#): > > > > Honestly, I’m about ready to just get rid of the game altogether > > Hang in there… things always get better… > > Personally I am making do until Crafting hits… I think that’ll be the deciding point for me too. If crafting is disappointing as the idiotic GW bracket movement secrecy I’ll potitely thank the Devs for two-and-a-half years worth of fun gaming (plus however long GW lasts in the current form) and move on… ---
**Author:** ![beanie42](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/beanie42/32/19802_2.png) [@beanie42](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/beanie42)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/96 "2017-05-29T13:12:58Z")
> [@Emos](#): > > 1. The number of Daily Guild Wins. My guess is this. We only had 1 daily win out of the 6 days. And if daily wins is the criteria then that’s fine. But we were trusting @Sirrian 's earlier posts that daily points would only matter for daily, and weekly score for weekly. We’re playing based on the information the devs have actually provided, which is looking incorrect and insufficient at best, and a blatant lie at worst. ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/97 "2017-05-29T13:16:31Z")
The most information I have seen in one place (aside from @Luther’s amazing image edits) about how Guild Wars bracket movement is handled: > [@Strange Guild Wars bracket movement](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/strange-guild-wars-bracket-movement/23815/64): > > Okay! I am here! I have some information for you all. Those that have filed support tickets will likely have seen this already. The bracket calculation for Guild Wars is based on a number of factors including, but not limited to, how well each guild performed in their bracket (standardized by the general difficulty of that bracket), the position each guild finished within their bracket (positions 1 & 2 are awarded small bonuses, while positions 9 & 10 are penalized somewhat), as well as (to a … ---
**Author:** ![Fenrignarok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9de0a6/32.png) [@Fenrignarok](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fenrignarok)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/98 "2017-05-29T13:18:16Z")
I’m missing bracket 2 already… 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Aelthwyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/aelthwyn/32/4645_2.png) [@Aelthwyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Aelthwyn)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/99 "2017-05-29T13:19:36Z")
This also. > [@Strange Guild Wars bracket movement](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/strange-guild-wars-bracket-movement/23815/142): > > Sneaky idea, however the guild wars uses a different point system to pvp so we didn’t reuse it. Levelling up sentinels will definitely help you get into higher brackets. ---
**Author:** ![beanie42](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/beanie42/32/19802_2.png) [@beanie42](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/beanie42)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/100 "2017-05-29T13:20:28Z")
Yeah, but in that post it’s the “general makeup & progress of the individual guild” that is the secret sauce. And they’ve been unwilling to clarify what that means, despite repeated and specific requests. So regardless of their intentions, their is no way to strategically compete in GW right now, since they won’t tell us the rules. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Royalty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/royalty/32/1683_2.png) [@Royalty](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Royalty)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/101 "2017-05-29T13:20:37Z")
Lol, buying your spot in the top brackets. Brilliant! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/102 "2017-05-29T13:35:25Z")
I am _almost_ positive that this means sentinels make winning fights easier, which lets you earn more points. If buying the sentinels actually did factor into bracket movement, GW really would be operating on a pay-to-win model that Sirrian has repeatedly said they dislike. I’m not saying it’s impossible, just that it goes against what developers have said in the past. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/103 "2017-05-29T13:39:10Z")
For me, I’m pretty sure that will be the tipping point. Where I’m at now, Crafting has to deliver in spades or I’ll probably hang it up ---
**Author:** ![Aelthwyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/aelthwyn/32/4645_2.png) [@Aelthwyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Aelthwyn)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/104 "2017-05-29T13:40:11Z")
> [@Grundulum](#): > > I am _almost_ positive that this means sentinels make winning fights easier, which lets you earn more points. If buying the sentinels actually did factor into bracket movement, GW really would be operating on a pay-to-win model that Sirrian has repeatedly said they dislike. > > I’m not saying it’s impossible, just that it goes against what developers have said in the past. It makes sense, and you are very probably right. But a clear confirmation and some clear information would be a great help. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/105 "2017-05-29T13:54:00Z")
> [@htismaqe](#): > > For me, I’m pretty sure that will be the tipping point. Where I’m at now, Crafting has to deliver in spades or I’ll probably hang it up its kind of sad, i remmember many players were saying the gow became stagnant to them and they looked forward to seeing guild wars implemented to keep them from quitting now - instead of stagnation - i see a lot of disappointment etc attacking not only burned out players but the players that were far from burnout? so now the crafting system will need to make up for both? somehow im starting to doubt it… i mean i think it will indeed open chance to craft missing troops but in _not that great way_ to _balance_ all these gw revelations 😅 its generally sad to me since while the game lost its pre-gw boredoom aspect it also lost its relaxing aspect, im watching how it develops and since im still not burned out and have spare time i can still take it, but i wonder what will happen when i have less time and ill need a more relaxing game - something that was like a pre-gw gow? im also worried about the crafting system if it adds “weekly chores” that are weekly- or daily- limited to farm the crafting currency it most probably add another “grain of salt” ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/106 "2017-05-29T14:38:16Z")
Yeah, I have very little hope that crafting is going to be good enough to cover these previous missteps. As long as there’s at least a little hope left though, I plan to stick it out. ---
**Author:** ![Darkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkness/32/2712_2.png) [@Darkness](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkness)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/107 "2017-05-29T14:42:17Z")
Same for me… ---
**Author:** ![Delinquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/108 "2017-05-29T14:47:48Z")
So is there a general consensus among those frustrated with GW? What needs to change? There’s been so much complaining in so many different areas that I have no idea. I think it would be super helpful if you all consolidated a bit so they have a clear indication of your complaints. ---
**Author:** ![Darkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkness/32/2712_2.png) [@Darkness](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkness)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157/109 "2017-05-29T15:08:55Z")
> [@Delinquent](#): > > So is there a general consensus among those frustrated with GW? What needs to change? There’s been so much complaining in so many different areas that I have no idea. I think it would be super helpful if you all consolidated a bit so they have a clear indication of your complaints. Like I posted in another topic, IMHO this is the main issue (but that’s just my opinion!!) > [@Base Guild Wars rewards on total score independent of bracket placement](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/base-guild-wars-rewards-on-total-score-independent-of-bracket-placement/24829/4): > > It’s not the rewards that people are complaining about. It’s the incomprehensible demotion and promotion to brackets that’s the issue. The fact that there are a number of unknown factors incorporated in the calculation which guild is promoted is destroying a lot of peoples enjoyment of GW. This can be easily solved by just using only the GW points to determine the promotions and demothios actually. The more points you score, the bigger the chance for promotion to a higher bracket (which leads t… [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157.md?page=4) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-are-brackets-decided-bug/24157.md?page=6)