# Holy Flame
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383
**Category:** Official News
**Created:** [November 29, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383 "2020-11-29T22:59:58Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/1 "2020-11-29T22:59:58Z")
Originally published at: [Holy Flame – Gems of War](https://gemsofwar.com/holy-flame/)
New Epic Troop: Sir Alamir Sir Alamir will be available this week for 400 Glory in the shop as well as in Event Chests, and will appear in Glory, Gem, and Guild chests in 3-4 weeks’ time. World Event: The Burning Axe There are 6 battles that players can encounter during the event: War Sphinx,…
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### Author:  [@alv-thanos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/alv-thanos)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/2 "2020-11-29T23:11:30Z")
Deja-vu feeling like a previous Orc event.
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### Author:  [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/3 "2020-11-29T23:17:33Z")
The last time we had this set up (Locked On/Woe Is Me), I saw players (including in my guild and global) expressing these kinds of concerns, wondering if they were having bad luck:
> [@Woe is Me (Weekly Event Post)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/woe-is-me-weekly-event-post/65875/11):
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> With no mention of “phases” in-game, the vast majority of players are going to think the event is broken because they only get the 2 skulls reward for the first 15 battles.
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> I don’t mind the complexity of the scoring, but I’m baffled that it has been implemented with no in-game explanation.
> [@Woe is Me (Weekly Event Post)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/woe-is-me-weekly-event-post/65875/1):
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> **World Event: Locked On**
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> There are 6 battles that players can encounter during the event: Gor’Thum, Fel’Dras, Gar’Nok, Sol’Zara, Shade of Zorn, and Gargantaur. This event has 3 Phases:
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> - Phase 1 – The first 2 battles are the only available battles to play, and have an equal chance of appearing. Players will need to win 15 battles here to progress to the next phase.
> - Phase 2 – The first 4 battles are the only available battles to play, and have an equal chance of appearing. Players will need to win 15 battles here to progress to the next phase.
> - Phase 3 – All 6 battles are now available with an equal chance of appearing. This phase continues until the end of the event.
It would be good if there was something in-game mentioning the slow introduction of higher point battles or some kind of demarcation in the World Event to signal moving between phases (to assist those not ‘in the know’).
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [November 30, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/4 "2020-11-30T02:05:48Z")
So this week it’s Highest Rarity \> LOWEST Level?
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### Author:  [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)
#### Post date: [November 30, 2020, 2:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/5 "2020-11-30T02:09:55Z")
Given that I don’t see a mention of increasing scores, I think you are correct.
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### Author:  [@cyberkiwi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/cyberkiwi)
#### Post date: [November 30, 2020, 12:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/6 "2020-11-30T12:47:26Z")
Total points for reward #12: 170,000/guild - 5667/member
Estimated Point Range by Shop Tier buy
```
Tier Sigils Total Battles Points
0 28 60-64 3820-4140
1 30 64-68 4140-4460
2 33 70-74 4620-4940
3 37 80-84 5420-5740
4 42 92-96 6380-6700
```
Some Tier 3 buyers may hit the required share, but Tier 4 is required to guarantee it.
Leaderboard guesses:
```
400 - 31020
450 - 35020
600 - 47020
```
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### Author:  [@igniteice](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/igniteice)
#### Post date: [November 30, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/7 "2020-11-30T17:15:13Z")
Event troop restrictions: Whitehelm Kingdom.
Okay, sounds good. Let’s see, spell damage increase medal. Okay, I’ll use Gaard’s Avatar and blast all my enemies away! Okay, and I’ll use Holy St. Astra to give it a head start – All Humans start battle with 50% Mana.
Oh. Oh wait. Gaard’s Avatar is a Divine Knight. Okay, no problem, I’ll just use the Divine 40% mana troop, Divine Ishbaala. Ah, nuts, she’s from Leonis Empire. Well, no matter, at least Holy St. Astra will allow my hero to start at 50% mana. Wait, it doesn’t? My hero is Divine too?
Human (non-Divine) troops from Whitehelm: 10
Divine (non-Human) troops from Whitehelm: 17
Human+Divine troops: 6
Whitehelm Hero race: Divine
50% Mana start troop: Human
Human (non-Divine) troops from Leonis Empire: 12
Divine (non-Human) troops from Leonis Empire: 1
Human+Divine troops: 3
Leonis Empire Hero race: Human
40% Mana start troop: Divine
Stellar design devs!
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### Author:  [@ESR77](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ESR77)
#### Post date: [December 1, 2020, 2:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/8 "2020-12-01T02:32:45Z")
This appears to be an exact clone of the 10/19/20 event scoring structure, just fish have become skulls now. That’s not a complaint, just an observation. I think it’s fine for the setups that work well to repeat.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2020, 3:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/9 "2020-12-06T15:56:54Z")
At the risk of holding the makers of the game responsible for the enjoyment of the game.
It really sucks that after all this time I have to institute World Event Requirements in multiple guilds because you just randomly decided that the points would require an average of Tier 4 from every member instead of Tier 2 or less.
But you really don’t offer incentives for these tiers to be purchased like you did with Raids and Invasions in the forms of Troops and Weapons.
So thanks for always finding new and creative ways to somehow make the game less fun while making those who still enjoy the game try to talk others into playing events they don’t enjoy. Fantastic work… Really. 👏👏👏
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### Author:  [@Makkon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Makkon)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/10 "2020-12-06T16:17:07Z")
It’s funny - I was wondering why my guild was not going to complete this event. Usually, we do really well but we are barely going to finish Stage 11 this go around. I did not project out the tiers needed for this one but, an average of Tier 4 is a serious expectation if that is what is required to knock this event out!
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### Author:  [@KYLENATOR001](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KYLENATOR001)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/11 "2020-12-06T18:48:00Z")
> [@Sands of Time](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sands-of-time/67254/3):
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> While it is nice that this event also yields more points with battle difficulty, I am hesitant to say “good job”.
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> The events are still boring overall, some having huge design flaws, and I cannot trust the logical more points with harder battles as to me that is inconsistent as of late amongst other things.
I said this last week. This supports the idea of withholding applause for any “good” guild event. Anytime we get a world event that isn’t half bad, thenext event would probably be terrible or boring.
It’s laughable how I hoped I was wrong, but so quickly proven right.
Please make it standard after this campaign for higher level battles yielding more points. It’s no fun to continually fight battles with ridiculous stats for the same small amount of points.
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### Author:  [@cyberkiwi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/cyberkiwi)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/12 "2020-12-06T21:23:33Z")
> [@KYLENATOR001](#):
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> Please make it standard after this campaign for higher level battles yielding more points
Repeating the same point to the same repeated argument/request.
Scaling points reduce the “teamwork” aspect of “guild” events. When points scale, what is a job for say Tier 1 for 30 members (e.g. last week), becomes doable for a single Tier 7 x 7 member.
This week’s leaderboard #1 has (I estimate) purchased Tier 7 x 11, but is not even at 1/3 the guild-total points required.
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### Author:  [@blindnighto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/blindnighto)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2020, 9:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/13 "2020-12-06T21:32:01Z")
I agree that teamwork is nice, but there is a difference between tier 4 teamwork and tier 2 teamwork. This event could be exactly the same, except scale down the total required points so that tier 2 is all that’s required (could even stretch to tier 3). All other world events have been around tier 2 or less since campaigns started.
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### Author:  [@cyberkiwi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/cyberkiwi)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/14 "2020-12-06T21:49:32Z")
The first few world events (Campaign 1) were definitely Tier 2 exclusively. Then there was a Tier 0, then mostly Tier 2 again.
In the current campaign, the requirements have been:
1,0,2,0,1,0,2,1,4
I think we can give the game a pass for imposing Tier 4 here. IMHO.
I personally sneaked in at Tier 3 and 5680 points, ever ready to purchase that last tier.
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/15 "2020-12-06T22:12:17Z")
To be fair, it’s a tier 3 from everyone event and only needing a few to get tier 4.
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### Author:  [@Hisspa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hisspa)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2020, 11:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/17 "2020-12-06T23:38:41Z")
That’s assuming everyone wins all their battles and catches all ravens
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2020, 11:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/18 "2020-12-06T23:55:26Z")
Of course, no different than when we have a “Tier 2” world event, it’s assuming all battles won etc.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2020, 11:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/19 "2020-12-06T23:56:42Z")
> [@Fleg](#):
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> To be fair, it’s a tier 3 from everyone event and only needing a few to get tier 4.
Based on what math?
Because @cyberkiwi was spot on about his Tier 4 estimates earlier in the week unless somehow the Platforms are different. Which I wouldn’t put it past GoW.
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/20 "2020-12-07T00:07:24Z")
5667 average needed from everyone. I got 5520 while others got 5680 from Tier 3. Like I said, a few would need to get Tier 4 to finish off last stage but that’s far from calling it a “Tier 4” event. 3-day Invasion is the same (I think only 4 members need Tier 4).
If our GM enforced a strict 5667 req then yes the majority of us would have to buy Tier 4 to get there like me. But that would just be forcing members to spend more gems than necessary.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2020, 12:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/holy-flame/67383/21 "2020-12-07T00:58:31Z")
> [@Fleg](#):
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> Like I said, a few would need to get Tier 4 to finish off last stage but that’s far from calling it a “Tier 4” event. 3-day Invasion is the same (I think only 4 members need Tier 4).
Tiers may be the same, but the cost isn’t now. They reduced the cost of Invasion and Raid Tiers.
I figured they did it to match the reduced cost in the usual world event shop to close all the portals on average.
Which is what made this week so ridiculous.
The hardcore players have no issue still closing the portal. The more casual players didn’t account for the double amount of play… Yeah it’s not just points… But play to make those points appear. And if the player didn’t have GA this week… It was a lot slower in comparison.
I’m pretty sure it was unintentional. Which is just sad because 90% of the game seems to be unsupervised these days. It’s all just a crock pot now…set it and forget it unless Salty gets tagged 30 times about it on the forums.
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