# Here's one of those teams - I just can't explain **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [August 7, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/heres-one-of-those-teams-i-just-cant-explain/10838 "2016-08-07T18:34:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/heres-one-of-those-teams-i-just-cant-explain/10838/1 "2016-08-07T18:34:46Z")
In PvP bry687 Says it’s team points are 733 However here’s the cards bry687 - Level 65 (15 attack, 18 shield, 25 heart, has a class + Frost Reaver) Lady Sapphira Level 12 (7 attack, 6 shield, 13 heart) Glade Warden Level 16 (9 attack, 4 shield, 12 heart) Boar Rider Level 16 (10 attack, 6 shield, 16 heart) * * * I took the my version of these troops and their levels (6, 4, 2) without my hero and I end up with 1356 and these are not even close to this person’s level. So how is this even possible??? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/heres-one-of-those-teams-i-just-cant-explain/10838/2 "2016-08-07T18:36:12Z")
How much higher level are you than them? ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/heres-one-of-those-teams-i-just-cant-explain/10838/3 "2016-08-07T18:46:22Z")
Their rank 23, 550 My Rank 21,997 My team in PvP 3751 Archon Statue Level 16 (8 attack, 11 shield, 14 heart) Centaur Scout Level 16 (7 attack, 6 shield, 15 heart) Me Level 70 (7 attack, 13 shield, 18 heart + Dagger of the void) - 5 levels above his player Gargon Level 17 (10 attack, 13 shield, 11 heart) Trust me when I say this doesn’t add up I created a team just now to see what the points would be with the same troops that I own at their current much lower levels without my player = 1356 Lady Sapphira Level 6 (6 attack, 3 shield, 9 heart) Glade Warden Level 4 (6 attack, 2 shield, 6 heart) Boar Rider Level 2 (3 attack, 2 shield, 5 heart) With my player 1781 So - No 5 level difference is not going to be 733. There is no way to explain this at all. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/heres-one-of-those-teams-i-just-cant-explain/10838/4 "2016-08-07T18:51:28Z")
There is currently a glitch with the rating system when using hero. Using a hero on a team in many cases counts for less point than a common. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/heres-one-of-those-teams-i-just-cant-explain/10838/5 "2016-08-07T19:54:40Z")
Also when getting a kingdom to level 10 it adds 40 to your team score, so this might explain some of the discrepancy. ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/heres-one-of-those-teams-i-just-cant-explain/10838/6 "2016-08-07T21:23:08Z")
I haven’t gotten any of my kingdoms to level 10. The highest I have is level 5 He had a class btw - so he had to have finished a quest ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 5:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/heres-one-of-those-teams-i-just-cant-explain/10838/7 "2016-08-08T05:01:47Z")
And here’s another that really doesn’t make sense bdub member of Dragon of the Dusk -284d Kingdoms owned 16 Unique troops 7 Total troops 7 PvP 1638 (51 wins, 2 losses/ 6 wins /17 losses defending) (They are in my battle log) and currently in my normal challenge slot Troop Team total 796 Rank 23963 Famine Level 20, [16 attack, 34 armor, 19 life,7 magic] Behemoth Level 19 [13 attack, 19 armor, 23 life, 5 magic] Lady Sapphira Level 18 [12 attack, 9 armor, 22 life, 8 magic] Orion Level 19 [attack 15, 20 armor, 20 life, 15 magic] There is no HERO in this team. I’m trying to build a little program to calculate points but - these folks keep throwing a monkey wrench in the figuring out what it should be, I couldn’t find other than the great break out for bonuses what troops would tally up to. ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2016, 7:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/heres-one-of-those-teams-i-just-cant-explain/10838/8 "2016-08-23T07:16:53Z")
Tacet - You know I would not care much about this, but when you’re still just trying to win on the first choice in PvP and these clowns keep coming up, it gets OLD - glitch my \*\*\* There isn’t a day goes by that there is some team that clearly is miscalculated. Here’s the one right now that I have been presented to fight. - 1394 Death - level 20th - (1 trait activated) Creeping Death - Hero - 109th (And in a guild) Valkyrie - 18th (Epic) (All three traits activated) Behemoth - 19th (Legendary) (1 trait activated) Rank 4842 This isn’t a glitch - this is clearly somehow there is a way to cheat. Every day now I see 4 or 5 of these teams – all different legendary and mythic level creatures at some high level, but with a low team total I just wish there was some better answer than ‘it’s a glitch’. Has anyone from support taken a look at some of these teams and see if they can figure out why the calculation is so low, which puts them in the easy slot? ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2016, 7:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/heres-one-of-those-teams-i-just-cant-explain/10838/9 "2016-08-23T07:19:12Z")
Heck my Black Beast at 6th level all by himself in a team is 1377 points ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2016, 7:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/heres-one-of-those-teams-i-just-cant-explain/10838/10 "2016-08-23T07:46:10Z")
> [@Taisiakat](#): > > somehow there is a way to cheat. Callout threads are against the forum rules. Either remove identifying features from your posts, or remove the posts entirely and PM one of the devs directly (@Nimhain or @Sirrian are your best bets). ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/heres-one-of-those-teams-i-just-cant-explain/10838/11 "2016-08-23T17:08:55Z")
Thanks Lyya. Removed the teams’ name - if that is what it means for ‘callout’.