# Hello everybody. Is the “Backup” talent still at 35% summon chance? Discuss **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [July 31, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/hello-everybody-is-the-backup-talent-still-at-35-summon-chance-discuss/56771 "2019-07-31T03:15:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dangquan09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dangquan09](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/dangquan09)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/hello-everybody-is-the-backup-talent-still-at-35-summon-chance-discuss/56771/1 "2019-07-31T03:15:04Z")
Just been wondering this recently. “Feels” more like the original 50% of late. I don’t have a crapload of data to back this up though, maybe RNG hates me 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Barney\_Stinson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/barney_stinson/32/37796_2.png) [@Barney\_Stinson](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Barney_Stinson)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 4:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/hello-everybody-is-the-backup-talent-still-at-35-summon-chance-discuss/56771/2 "2019-07-31T04:11:32Z")
Actually i feel the same, last and this week is horrible ---
**Author:** ![Graeme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@Graeme](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Graeme)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 4:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/hello-everybody-is-the-backup-talent-still-at-35-summon-chance-discuss/56771/3 "2019-07-31T04:13:14Z")
The title and text of this thread seems very familiar to me… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Koromac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/koromac/32/59857_2.png) [@Koromac](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Koromac)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/hello-everybody-is-the-backup-talent-still-at-35-summon-chance-discuss/56771/4 "2019-07-31T08:06:46Z")
It’s actually worse than it was when 50% was a problem. Now it feels that it’s 75%, maybe even more. ---
**Author:** ![shadyady360](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8491ac/32.png) [@shadyady360](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/shadyady360)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/hello-everybody-is-the-backup-talent-still-at-35-summon-chance-discuss/56771/5 "2019-07-31T08:19:08Z")
I was going to say the same, feels like around 75%. ---
**Author:** ![zzyzx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zzyzx/32/53463_2.png) [@zzyzx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/zzyzx)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 9:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/hello-everybody-is-the-backup-talent-still-at-35-summon-chance-discuss/56771/6 "2019-07-31T09:55:58Z")
I’ve noticed it as well these last couple weeks. Definitely seems to be back at pre-nerf levels. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 12:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/hello-everybody-is-the-backup-talent-still-at-35-summon-chance-discuss/56771/7 "2019-07-31T12:42:29Z")
We’ll never get an official answer, instead I’ll just repeat what I need to set up so I can copy/paste in any one of these threads: - It takes a lot of data to prove a % is off, but there are more ways to be “off” than raw statistics. - A long time ago, TDS had a 50% resurrection chance and players insisted it procced more often than 50%. - Technically it was the wrong trait, but they didn’t have time to make its real third trait. It stayed this way for something like a year, it’s hard to find the time to write one trait. - Devs insisted the players needed to stop spending money on booze and spend that money on gems instead because the RNG was fine. - A player with a very good basis in stats performed a very detailed analysis and concluded: - If you look at proc rate in aggregate, it procced at 50%. - If you inspected it via statistical analysis designed to detect streak biases, the trait was **far** more likely to trigger 0 or 3 times than an unbiased RNG would suggest. - TL;DR: TDS was proccing more _per match_ than it should and making up for it by “not proccing” more to disguise it. A probability fairy. Or, in layman’s terms, “a sign the RNG has bias”. - The devs suddenly found time to implement the “correct” trait and applied it to TDS, because that’s not suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![shadyady360](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8491ac/32.png) [@shadyady360](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/shadyady360)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/hello-everybody-is-the-backup-talent-still-at-35-summon-chance-discuss/56771/8 "2019-07-31T15:01:06Z")
I knew it was only a matter of time before I saw this reply from your goodself 😄