# Head in the Clouds **URL:** \ **Category:** Official News\ **Created:** [June 10, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770 "2018-06-10T23:00:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/21 "2018-06-11T03:57:37Z")
While already being bad in Raids compared to the alternatives this weapon is completely useless outside of Raids, making it even worse than the pre buff gem spawners this mode used to offer. The Raid troop is just the usual generic Godslayer with absolutely no use outside of Raids, and the weekly troop is just way too slow and has too weak anti-Divine attributes to ever actually be utilized against the current Divine meta. Too little too late. A step back as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 4:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/22 "2018-06-11T04:40:15Z")
That’s my point. Removing the grace period allows Death Mark to actually achieve something, rather than being worthless. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 4:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/23 "2018-06-11T04:48:29Z")
The problem is they can cleanse themself in 1 turn most of the time ---
**Author:** ![cky](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cky/32/54091_2.png) [@cky](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/cky)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 5:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/24 "2018-06-11T05:00:45Z")
> [@Drathas](#): > > And BUFF POISON while you’re at it. I had a proposal on how to buff poison usefully that I posted on Discord. Basically, currently, each turn you lose between 0 and 1 life, randomly selected (50% 0, 50% 1). That means an expected life loss of 0.5 per turn. My proposed version makes only one change: each turn you lose between 0 and 2 life, randomly selected (33% 0, 33% 1, 33% 2). That doubles the expected life loss to 1 per turn. Comments welcome. * * * Another way to have an expected life loss of 1 per turn, if people still want 50% chance of not losing life (as current): - 50% chance of 0 life loss - 25% chance of 1 life loss - 12.5% chance of 2 life loss - 6.25% chance of 3 life loss - 3.125% chance of 4 life loss and so on and so forth. According to WolframAlpha, [this converges to an expected value of 1](https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sum_i%3D1%5Einf+i%2F2%5E(i%2B1)). * * * Sample code (in Unity) for implementing this second model: ```csharp int healthLoss = Mathf.FloorToInt(Mathf.Log(Random.value, 0.5)); ``` ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 5:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/25 "2018-06-11T05:04:11Z")
New stuff. Looks cool. Very little use whatsoever… ---
**Author:** ![KYLENATOR001](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kylenator001/32/33983_2.png) [@KYLENATOR001](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KYLENATOR001)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 5:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/26 "2018-06-11T05:10:13Z")
Death mark is still potent, but a grace period was necessary to at least give a chance to cleanse. It is difficult to outright buff it as if the status works as intended, outright troop removal is potent. The problem is not enough works with dm. Doom on death was great, then they take it away but leave necromancy. Doom is practically nonexistent and poison even has instakill spells dealing with it. I’m not a fan of buffing the instakill chance or the grace removal as rng is already too strong of a driving force, but more troops like hellspawn that work with it. There is great potential in indirect buffs for this status, but based on track record, gem sinks are more vital to the game health than reworking outdated troops and statuses. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 5:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/27 "2018-06-11T05:48:43Z")
If you want an average of one life loss by turn, it is simpler that a poisoned troop lose one point every turn, better than putting random stuff. I will prefer that poison can be stacked on each troop. ---
**Author:** ![cky](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cky/32/54091_2.png) [@cky](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/cky)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 5:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/28 "2018-06-11T05:50:07Z")
That is too different in mechanic from how poison currently works. Part of the fun of poison is that the opponent sometimes does not lose any health. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 5:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/29 "2018-06-11T05:51:03Z")
How is it fun when a status that has minimal effect sometimes has zero effect? I can’t agree… ---
**Author:** ![cky](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cky/32/54091_2.png) [@cky](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/cky)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 5:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/30 "2018-06-11T05:52:04Z")
It’s not minimal effect if you use the second model I proposed. There is, very minutely, a chance of an instakill. Okay, maybe not instakill. But here’s a million runs: ```auto [1] pry(main)> 1000000.times.map { Math.log(rand, 0.5).floor }.group_by(&:itself).map { |x, y| [x, y.size] }.sort_by(&:first) => [[0, 499004], [1, 250866], [2, 125052], [3, 62546], [4, 31248], [5, 15664], [6, 7877], [7, 3885], [8, 1983], [9, 905], [10, 490], [11, 245], [12, 118], [13, 61], [14, 33], [15, 12], [16, 7], [17, 3], [19, 1]] ``` (Each run will give a different set of results. Yay for Monte Carlo modelling!) ---
**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 5:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/31 "2018-06-11T05:57:52Z")
Even at 1 damage per turn would still be completely meaningless. I’m sure 2 or 3 years ago maybe but now troops have so much health 1 damage is ridiculous. Not only that but with so many powerful troops battles are over in too few turns for poison’s damage to matter anyway. It’s only somewhat useful in conjunction with other spells that work on poisoned enemies. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 6:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/32 "2018-06-11T06:06:02Z")
Your second model wasn’t there when I wrote my post. My comment was on the current poison model. Your second idea is more creative, yes - but I don’t think we need even more randomness. I’ve always liked the idea of poison stacking, as @turintuor raises. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 6:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/33 "2018-06-11T06:14:28Z")
You can keep the 50% to do nothing if you want 😉 . So it should be funnier to have a +5 poison which does 50% 0 life damage or 50% 5 life damage 🙂 . ---
**Author:** ![TimeKnight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/timeknight/32/50221_2.png) [@TimeKnight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TimeKnight)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 8:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/34 "2018-06-11T08:15:26Z")
Although I really like Carmella artwork, I feel like she doesn’t look much like an undead/vampire. Her fang is quite too small to be noticed, and while her hand/fingernail is quite scary, it’s also appear to be just a glove. So while I find the ancient vampire lineage back story to be so interesting, I prefer to think she is just Gothic human princess who like to cosplay. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 9:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/35 "2018-06-11T09:15:39Z")
> [@TimeKnight](#): > > I prefer to think she is just Gothic human princess who like to cosplay. 🤣 I try to think that she is half human/vampire, and that she got a little more of the human look. ---
**Author:** ![Whiskeyjack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whiskeyjack/32/65850_2.png) [@Whiskeyjack](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiskeyjack)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 10:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/36 "2018-06-11T10:23:50Z")
I love her art, shame I won’t use her at all other than this week’s raid event ---
**Author:** ![JuaitoR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/juaitor/32/11770_2.png) [@JuaitoR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JuaitoR)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 10:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/37 "2018-06-11T10:24:46Z")
My suggestion to how poison should work: 50% chance to lose 1/8th of max life each turn. The game already tracks a troops max life value for healing mechanics. This system allows for poison to scale with stats and for poisoned troops to actually be hindered. Pokemon style. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 10:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/38 "2018-06-11T10:27:36Z")
That’s the depressing thing I find with most if not all the new Invasion/Raids Epic troops. So many of them has top notch art work, yet a very limited usage. I wish they planned that the troops was useful outside these events too. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 10:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/39 "2018-06-11T10:29:03Z")
> [@JuaitoR](#): > > This system allows for poison to scale with stats and for poisoned troops to actually be hindered. It would scale with the stats of your opponent, which feels quite the wrong way around. It’s you who should be putting in effort to make your troops stronger, not the other players. ---
**Author:** ![JuaitoR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/juaitor/32/11770_2.png) [@JuaitoR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JuaitoR)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 10:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/head-in-the-clouds/40770/40 "2018-06-11T10:31:11Z")
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