# Have the Treasure Gnome and Valraven enemies drop their own troop cards **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [March 3, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/have-the-treasure-gnome-and-valraven-enemies-drop-their-own-troop-cards/36618 "2018-03-03T16:36:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/have-the-treasure-gnome-and-valraven-enemies-drop-their-own-troop-cards/36618/21 "2018-03-04T16:12:15Z")
Yes, but you said, “Now we have orbs to help.” The only troop orbs help you get is Zuul’Goth. ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/have-the-treasure-gnome-and-valraven-enemies-drop-their-own-troop-cards/36618/22 "2018-03-04T16:18:48Z")
There is an orb that grants one rarity… ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/have-the-treasure-gnome-and-valraven-enemies-drop-their-own-troop-cards/36618/23 "2018-03-04T17:33:14Z")
Oh! You’re right. Once you GET the troop those orbs are worth anything from 25-100 cards depending on context. I hadn’t considered that angle! ---
**Author:** ![obone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8dc957/32.png) [@obone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/obone)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/have-the-treasure-gnome-and-valraven-enemies-drop-their-own-troop-cards/36618/24 "2018-03-06T19:47:54Z")
I enjoy the rarity of troops. It’s called rarity for a reason, it’s rare. When the Soulforge came out I wasn’t very happy. Even with having to save up to 4000 diamonds, I didn’t like the idea of anyone being able to get what they wanted. I enjoyed the RARE aspect to the game. It gives more meaning when i get a new mythic. That being said, these gnomes are hard to get. They are mostly for collector purposes. It would be more impressive to have a mythic of a treasure gnome in your defense team to show it off if we do not change anything. Eventually someone will get it just like eventually someone crafted Xathenos and Dawnbringer. ---
**Author:** ![WyomingPixel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/wyomingpixel/32/40977_2.png) [@WyomingPixel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/WyomingPixel)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/have-the-treasure-gnome-and-valraven-enemies-drop-their-own-troop-cards/36618/25 "2018-03-07T22:11:00Z")
I have been speed traitstone farming since reset and I haven’t managed to get a single vault key. I have 2300 snot rocks from explore. I’ve obtained 2 vault keys from Invasion rank packages and no hint of a troop card. ---
**Author:** ![Grimace](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/grimace/32/37435_2.png) [@Grimace](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grimace)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/have-the-treasure-gnome-and-valraven-enemies-drop-their-own-troop-cards/36618/26 "2018-03-08T09:46:12Z")
Vault key drop rate is very low besides during the vault events, I’ve seen quite a few gnomes since reset but had none drop a key either and I’m around 4k snotstones as well. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/have-the-treasure-gnome-and-valraven-enemies-drop-their-own-troop-cards/36618.md?page=1)