# Has underspire been made bigger without telling us? **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [March 20, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618 "2024-03-20T21:31:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kezef](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Kezef](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kezef)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 12:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/21 "2024-03-28T12:13:36Z")
> [@Sylwani](#): > > But not sure i understand finding the bosses The bosses will be down a side route from the main path, but I haven’t seen any definitive “rule” to determine which side route it is. Other than the knowledge that if a side route has an intersection at “4 steps away from the main path”, there is no dragon boss on that side route. You effectively have to simply pick one side route at a time and follow it to its’ end and hope to find the dragons sooner rather than later. ---
**Author:** ![Sylwani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 1:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/22 "2024-03-28T13:15:38Z")
![Screenshot_20240328_090356](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/e/1/e1b8e2de45637b545a5112bac4a2a9a1853dac81.jpeg) This is what i got right now to find the boss ---
**Author:** ![Kezef](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Kezef](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kezef)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/23 "2024-03-28T16:50:12Z")
I’ve yet to find a hard-and-fast rule to determine which of those side paths is more likely to lead to a boss dragon. If either of them does, as opposed to some of the other side paths you’ve got available, such as the one branching off the room to the “west” of the keystone. Maybe I’d have a slightly-more-informed opinion if you provided a screenshot of the larger map so that I could determine if some of the other side paths simply aren’t long enough to lead to a dragon. But given what you’re showing now? I’d just pick one and follow it to its’ end, so long as you don’t hit the “intersection at 4 steps away from the main path” scenario. ---
**Author:** ![Sylwani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/24 "2024-03-28T17:19:38Z")
So the bosses dont have a set rule? ---
**Author:** ![Kezef](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Kezef](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kezef)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 9:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/25 "2024-03-28T21:24:52Z")
The bosses won’t be more than six steps off the main path. You won’t find a dragon boss on a path that branches at exactly four steps from the main path. Other than that, no, there’s no “set rule”. Which means there are some weeks you might find the bosses really quickly and some weeks you might have to explore an entire region before finding it. ---
**Author:** ![Sylwani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/26 "2024-03-28T21:29:23Z")
![Screenshot_20240328_172757](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/5/3/53bc9894ce1f2ea34c5bc62d86f4ceff78e1322a.jpeg) 61 battles to make it through 3 floors. What have i done wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Sylwani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 9:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/27 "2024-03-28T21:42:35Z")
![Screenshot_20240328_174002](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/d/8/d84614cd85e57552a4a4b585a8ae8ce1d3ca0345.jpeg) Next floor. Highest level worked but this is the bs im talking about. When looking for the boss there seems to be way more branches to try to encourage lantern use ---
**Author:** ![Kezef](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Kezef](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kezef)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 1:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/28 "2024-03-29T01:43:03Z")
Judging based on your maps above, I can’t see anything obvious that you’ve done wrong. It’s something I’d simply chalk up to “poor luck” in that you’ve managed to explore most of the side paths without finding the dragon. About the only thing there I can recommend is to figure out whatever criteria you were using to select paths and to throw it out the window and try something different. > [@Sylwani](#): > > When looking for the boss there seems to be way more branches to try to encourage lantern use I’ve never used a lantern on an ordinary fight and I never plan to do so. (I get the one free lantern per week; I use it on either the 4th dragon or the 6th dragon to double up on a particular Glory orb because I’m still working on making all my mythics gold elite.) I’ve had weeks when I’ve been obliged to purchase 10-15 torches on Sunday – and once even buying 15 on Saturday because I was “falling behind” – but weeks when I’ve had the sort of luck your screenshot suggests are few and far between. ---
**Author:** ![JamesDurning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@JamesDurning](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JamesDurning)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/29 "2024-03-29T01:49:44Z")
On the dragon path, look at the 4th room off from the main path. You may notice a pattern. ---
**Author:** ![Sylwani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/30 "2024-03-29T02:36:45Z")
I dont see a pattern ---
**Author:** ![Dust\_Angel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dust_angel/32/35256_2.png) [@Dust\_Angel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dust_Angel)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 3:59am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/31 "2024-03-29T03:59:56Z")
> [@Kezef](#): > > You won’t find a dragon boss on a path that branches at exactly four steps from the main path. Most of the time. Case point, first boss. ![28](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/6/c65cb47510826a3fba68757fb1720e7a788b3b7b.jpeg) It is very rare, however. I’ve only seen this rule broken five times in total of 35 screenshotted Underspires - 5/210 boss paths. ---
**Author:** ![Sylwani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 2:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/32 "2024-03-29T14:31:31Z")
![Screenshot_20240329_102947](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/6/366b2bf4cd76dbac3f0e336e8166168d6ddcb7d7.jpeg) Im tired of the “bad luck!!!” Its going to take me 80+ fights to finish floor 4!!! WTF!? Wait is that long branch i went down a “exactly 4 steps” deal? ---
**Author:** ![Sylwani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 3:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/33 "2024-03-29T15:30:41Z")
![Screenshot_20240329_112947](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/6/2/629395afcb6719cc92fd98db4b0920e671de6134.jpeg) Thanks for the higher level tip for finding the door. Which branch should i take for finding the boss? Whats the rule hwre ---
**Author:** ![Theoden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/50afbb/32.png) [@Theoden](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Theoden)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/34 "2024-03-29T18:35:06Z")
In my experience, the path to the boss will almost always have a two way split in one of the first three rooms, very rarely afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![esslee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esslee/32/103072_2.png) [@esslee](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/esslee)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 6:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/35 "2024-03-30T06:44:17Z")
Here is another diagram which may help. It is only the blue door section explaining how to locate the keystone and the boss. ![IMG_1932](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/7/e/7e74924ddaaebb61a332c0d99c7760b5f91e02a4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Sylwani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 6:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/36 "2024-03-30T06:58:46Z")
![Screenshot_20240329_112947](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/6/2/629395afcb6719cc92fd98db4b0920e671de6134.jpeg) So how should i be looking at this? ---
**Author:** ![Sylwani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 7:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/37 "2024-03-30T07:09:23Z")
![Screenshot_20240330_030548](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/f/e/fe18216e214ed9f647be29a2827dd09e9cd2a553.jpeg) This is what the card that met the keystone brought me…another branch ---
**Author:** ![Sylwani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/38 "2024-03-30T15:49:00Z")
![Screenshot_20240330_114700](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/a/a/aa263678cc90d5a794a4361860f2341d62e5d75f.jpeg) Found the boss. But look what it took…exploring a whole dead end branch ---
**Author:** ![Sylwani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/39 "2024-03-30T16:33:35Z")
![Screenshot_20240330_123247](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/0/f/0f931f436a36a67767c5274cb056a3ce7af20550.jpeg) Last floor. See this is what i dont get about the boss. Main path makes sense but how do i choose between those two? ---
**Author:** ![Theoden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/50afbb/32.png) [@Theoden](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Theoden)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/has-underspire-been-made-bigger-without-telling-us/83618/40 "2024-03-30T18:47:10Z")
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