# Guild Wars, Point-Scoring for Battles, and You! **URL:** \ **Category:** Official News\ **Created:** [August 1, 2017, 5:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179 "2017-08-01T05:31:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 472
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/472 "2017-08-02T16:58:41Z")
But the developers themselves did reveal the Mana surge chance formula a number of times. Once in a nice diagram outlining the changes. Sirrian himself posted the Mana surge formula once. And during a detailed discussion of console vs PC. This is just off the cuff from what I recall. Give me a minute and I’ll find it. EDIT: > [@Do any of the high level players actually have unbalanced mana masteries?](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-any-of-the-high-level-players-actually-have-unbalanced-mana-masteries/374/7): > > For any math-heads out there, we use a pretty common diminishing returns formula for Masteries & Mana Surge SURGE CHANCE = MASTERY/(100+MASTERY) So: Mastery 0 = 0% chance Mastery 20 = 17% chance Mastery 50 = 33% chance Mastery 100 = 50% chance Mastery 200 = 67% chance EDIT 2: > [@1.0.8 Preview Part 2 - Upgrading Troops](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/1-0-8-preview-part-2-upgrading-troops/1832/122): > > Incoming Math! We’re making a change to the diminishing return formula in 1.0.8 The end result is about identical returns for masteries up to about 50, but it drops off just a little after that point… for example at mastery level 100, it is about 5% lower. We’ve found that exceedingly high level players are getting just a few more mana surges than we would like. If you think of a diminishing return formula as: CHANCE = (LIMIT \* MASTERY) / (MASTERY + DECAY) We currently have LIMIT = 1 & DEC… --- _[View the full topic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179)._