# Guild Wars, Point-Scoring for Battles, and You! **URL:** \ **Category:** Official News\ **Created:** [August 1, 2017, 5:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179 "2017-08-01T05:31:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Trajic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/trajic/32/20447_2.png) [@Trajic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Trajic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/411 "2017-08-02T12:04:23Z")
The thing is … I do see why they made their decisions. I completely understand them. But they need to say 1 thing when they throw these decisions here. And they haven’t. GW hasn’t been a matter of statistics throughout a 2 months time. We have compared data daily. In which they failed this very update. I mean … at the end of the week, we might find out who is fit to be the paragon… But daily wins are absolutely out of place. ---
**Author:** ![Trajic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/trajic/32/20447_2.png) [@Trajic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Trajic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/412 "2017-08-02T12:09:26Z")
1st of all … … Winning guild wars … Fast … Feels wrong to even read. I don’t believe anyone has ever said that in their entire life who has been playing this game. So in case no one has ever said this to developers: GW are not the same as PvP battles where all the criteria they presented work (which I called TDS-The Dragon Soul data before). They have always been about careful strategy, team-building and board responsiveness. … I have never thought I would have been thrown in a decisive battle with words: _Be bullheaded and try to break through the enemy defenses! If you stay alive, you won!_ ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/413 "2017-08-02T12:13:50Z")
I pretty much had the same scores as the day before, avg around 1,4xx. With one battle where I lost one troop scoring 1,35x. Team used a very similar exploding strategy as the day before, so comparative game times/amount of turns. Team was: Gorgotha Sylvanimora Emperor Khorvash Elemaugrim > [@Annaerith](#): > > lost some troops today (not yesterday), all it made me loose like 50-150 points per fight compared to yesterday > > im unimpressed, thought loosing unit would weight more xD Yep, that was my feelings too when I dropped a troop. Speed and kamikaze GW teams are upon us! EDIT: Troop lost was Sylvanimora (almost full HP) to a Kerberos devour. Not sure if thats why I lost so little points because I had to then kill the HP back off the Kerberos. ---
**Author:** ![saski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saski/32/11364_2.png) [@saski](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/saski)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/414 "2017-08-02T12:41:46Z")
It seems that today I’m having a 1200 points per battle day 🙂 No matter what I do I get something around that amount of points. 2 troops of color, lost one? 1200. 3 troops of color, lost noone. 1200. Fast game. 1200. Slow game - yeah, 1200 😃 Why not go full open random mode with those points? After each battle we should play one armed bandit with as many goes, as many troops survived a fight xD Equally random and much more transparent system than the one we have right now 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/415 "2017-08-02T12:43:11Z")
feels like armed bandit would be more fair indeed, also it seems today i rolled a 13xx points day 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/416 "2017-08-02T12:45:46Z")
Did you also base around exploding? ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/417 "2017-08-02T12:47:19Z")
> [@DoubleTexasT](#): > > Total 9239 Looper Team > Game 1 1436. No data > game 2 2016 Ai got 3 moves > game 3 2724 AI got 1 move > game 4 1314 AI got 0 moves > game 5 1749 AI got 2 moves Thanks, this proved incredibly useful. Time for a deeper number dive. Please note that this is reading tea leaves, looking for patterns that might acutally not exist. All the measurements above were reported to have been perfect wins with full color bonus. Measurement 4 likely has neither MANA\_BONUS nor DAMAGE\_BONUS, due to the division by zero issue. It should also have full COLOR\_BONUS and full SURVIVAL\_BONUS. Removing the BASE\_SCORE added to every result we get BASE\_SCORE \* (FULL\_COLOR\_BONUS + FULL\_SURVIVAL\_BONUS + PARTIAL\_SPEED\_BONUS) = 1014. Measurement 3 likely has a full MANA\_BONUS and full DAMAGE\_BONUS, due to only granting a single turn. It should also have full COLOR\_BONUS and full SURVIVAL\_BONUS. Removing the BASE\_SCORE added to every result we get BASE\_SCORE \* (FULL\_COLOR\_BONUS + FULL\_SURVIVAL\_BONUS + PARTIAL\_SPEED\_BONUS + FULL\_MANA\_BONUS + FULL\_DAMAGE\_BONUS) = 2424. Now, we know that the speed bonus is linear, going from full to zero in 30 moves. People also like to pick “nice looking” number instead of weird fractions. B within the speed bonus is likely something reasonably simple that will make 1014 and 2424 look “nice” when removed from the equation. One pretty good fit would be 6, that makes every action less than 30 worth 6% of 300 = 18 points. Assuming measurement 4 contained 12 actions (for a 30 - 12 = 18 speed multiplier) and measurement 3 contained 7 actions (for a 30 - 7 = 23 speed multiplier), the numbers without the partial speed bonus would look like this: BASE\_SCORE \* (FULL\_COLOR\_BONUS + FULL\_SURVIVAL\_BONUS) = 1014 - 23 \* 18 = 600 BASE\_SCORE \* (FULL\_COLOR\_BONUS + FULL\_SURVIVAL\_BONUS + FULL\_MANA\_BONUS + FULL\_DAMAGE\_BONUS) = 2424 - 18 \* 18 = 2100 That’s great, a perfect fit, we can remove BASE\_SCORE to arrive at FULL\_COLOR\_BONUS + FULL\_SURVIVAL\_BONUS = 2 FULL\_COLOR\_BONUS + FULL\_SURVIVAL\_BONUS + FULL\_MANA\_BONUS + FULL\_DAMAGE\_BONUS = 7 and also FULL\_MANA\_BONUS + FULL\_DAMAGE\_BONUS = 5 Hey, nice looking numbers, not a single fraction at all. COLOR\_BONUS and SURVIVAL\_BONUS are probably weighted the same, at 1 each. MANA\_BONUS and DAMAGE\_BONUS are quite interesting, they use the same formula, so they might also be weighted the same, at 2.5 each. In any case, they outweigh color and survival to such and extent that those can safely be ignored. Speed contributes next to nothing, it’s just a small bonus for a fast match. TLDR: Lots of guessing. If it fits, forget about colors and surviving troops. Pick the one perfect loop/nuke team every fight each day, you’ll get about twice the score than with any other approach if you play it well. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/418 "2017-08-02T12:47:34Z")
yes, i used ragnagord among others ---
**Author:** ![saski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saski/32/11364_2.png) [@saski](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/saski)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/419 "2017-08-02T12:50:42Z")
Yeah, Gorg and TDS were the core of the team. ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/420 "2017-08-02T12:53:57Z")
I have to imagine that full color bonus is +200%, or 600 points. If it isn’t, then the schedule screen is lying to us about the bonuses from our guild statues. ---
**Author:** ![saski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saski/32/11364_2.png) [@saski](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/saski)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/421 "2017-08-02T12:54:14Z")
I have still a battle to fight left. I’m tempted to forget it’s brown day on PS4 and go with the kraken team to see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/422 "2017-08-02T12:54:41Z")
> [@Grundulum](#): > > I have to imagine that full color bonus is +200%, or 600 points. If it isn’t, then the schedule screen is lying to us about the bonuses from our guild statues. Sirrian claimed somewhere that the final full color bonus was halved, which would fit perfectly. It’s not really lying, the scaling gets applied afterwards. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/423 "2017-08-02T12:57:23Z")
What he said was that the surviving troops bonus was halved, not the color bonus. So we went from 40% to (roughly) 20% for having all four troops survive. ---
**Author:** ![Delinquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 1:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/424 "2017-08-02T13:00:02Z")
Isn’t that what people wanted? To be able to try more strategies? Which in turn means the drain/devour defense meta isn’t as punishing? It seems nice you can still score okay and not have to rage when the opposition gets a lucky devour… ---
**Author:** ![saski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saski/32/11364_2.png) [@saski](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/saski)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 1:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/425 "2017-08-02T13:04:34Z")
Oh I’m not complaining, not at all 🙂 I’m just making fun of the seemingly randomness of the whole thing and us frantically trying to figure things out 😉 And if you ask me, it really can be random. I don’t care that much 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/426 "2017-08-02T13:05:06Z")
> [@Grundulum](#): > > What he said was that the surviving troops bonus was halved, not the color bonus. So we went from 40% to (roughly) 20% for having all four troops survive. Good point, it’s in the top post. It says very little about the color bonus though, it doesn’t even mention how COLOR\_BONUS gets calculated. There should be an E% in there, which likely halves the result. In order to verify that, some more 0 turn scores using mismatched colors would be helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Delinquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/427 "2017-08-02T13:25:28Z")
It’s in the formula: FINAL\_SCORE = BASE\_SCORE + BASE\_SCORE \* (COLOR\_BONUS + SURVIVAL\_BONUS + SPEED\_BONUS + MANA\_BONUS + DAMAGE\_BONUS) ---
**Author:** ![Trajic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/trajic/32/20447_2.png) [@Trajic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Trajic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/428 "2017-08-02T13:28:01Z")
That part about it is amazing. The thing is, most people score around 1400, while some players rocket out to 2700 points. By “something”. It’s like getting to a game of poker. Where you slap the table with a straight Royal Flush, grinning… And the dealer tells you that someone else won with a full house. … But won’t tell you why. At the end of the day - you’ll just throw the game to the dustbin. Very few people like to play a game where you are not given the rules, but rewards are distributed anyway. It feels unfair, if anything. If the bonuses are capped in a way… you could basically only get a certain amount of points (not like double the points for winning on turn 2) - that would solve things. But currently - we are just throwing cards blindly, trying to figure out what do the developers want from us. ---
**Author:** ![Delinquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 1:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/429 "2017-08-02T13:30:17Z")
It’s super common for games to not reveal the underlying scoring system/math. Almost always, players have to reverse engineer formulas. I think the only mistake they made was ever revealing it. All I hear is a lot of laziness. Experiment for a few days and figure out what works best for you!!! ---
**Author:** ![Trajic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/trajic/32/20447_2.png) [@Trajic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Trajic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 1:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179/430 "2017-08-02T13:33:40Z")
No one is speaking about Math here. This is not about “chances you’ll win”. … This is about determining the winner. In a poker - rules are set so you know which cards beat others in value. … We don’t have that. All games start with a set of rules. All of them. Exceptions are games that tell you “can you figure out how this works?”. And I don’t think people payed their money for a game like that. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179.md?page=20) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-point-scoring-for-battles-and-you/28179.md?page=22)