# Guild Wars and sisters guilds **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Created:** [May 7, 2017, 9:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674 "2017-05-07T09:16:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![madking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/madking/32/62439_2.png) [@madking](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/madking)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 10:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/430 "2018-04-04T22:30:54Z")
There are still evidences of guilds in bracket 1 proposing collusion to other guilds. Or at least there were until a couple of months ago. All evidences have been sent to devs ---
**Author:** ![Taliesin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@Taliesin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taliesin)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 11:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/431 "2018-04-04T23:08:12Z")
The dev team has already addressed this. Collusion has a miniscule effect on the outcomes and they will take no action unless it can be shown to be having a lasting effect on the outcomes. This is just a witch hunt plain and simple. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 1:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/432 "2018-04-05T01:24:06Z")
Continuing the discussion from [Guild Wars (Guild Alliances and a Shift in Policy)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-guild-alliances-and-a-shift-in-policy/30889): > [@Guild Wars (Guild Alliances and a Shift in Policy)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-guild-alliances-and-a-shift-in-policy/30889/1): > > If we get solid proof of collusion in future (on our side as well, not just data collected by players) there will be consequences, which at the very least will be the removal of rewards. The guilds in question will also possibly be demoted to a lower bracket. We will look at all data available to determine if collusion is taking place. We should be able to tell if a guild are colluding versus playing properly, though it will be very difficult. So yea, all guild collision is **officially** against the rules now. ---
**Author:** ![Sassy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sassy/32/36147_2.png) [@Sassy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sassy)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 2:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/433 "2018-04-05T02:40:52Z")
I think I am figuring this out. > [@Taliesin](#): > > The dev team has already addressed this. Collusion has a miniscule effect on the outcomes and they will take no action unless it can be shown to be having a lasting effect on the outcomes. This is just a witch hunt plain and simple. > [@Guild Wars and sisters guilds](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/432): > > Continuing the discussion from [Guild Wars (Guild Alliances and a Shift in Policy)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-guild-alliances-and-a-shift-in-policy/30889): So yea, all guild collision is officially against the rules now. > [@Saltypatra](#): > > Don’t spread false information claiming one of us has said it, whether it be in game, on the forums or our social media I think its pretty clear. ---
**Author:** ![Amadan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amadan/32/7653_2.png) [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/434 "2018-04-05T12:51:43Z")
> [@Ashasekayi](#): > > Also, I hate vanilla ice cream. You are a terrible person, and will surely be cursed for all time for this insolence. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/435 "2018-04-05T14:27:30Z")
> [@Amadan](#): > > > [@Ashasekayi](#): > > > > Also, I hate vanilla ice cream. > > You are a terrible person, and will surely be cursed for all time for this insolence. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/0/402e409db4a8dd3506d720a553df8879d2af2172.gif) ---
**Author:** ![rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@rojo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/rojo)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/436 "2018-04-05T20:22:04Z")
That sounds like something that happened before my time but I think what you said just backs up what I said. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 4:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/437 "2018-04-06T04:21:18Z")
We have commented on this, at length, in the past. Please keep this thread civil, if it devolves into callouts it will be closed. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 4:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/438 "2018-04-06T04:51:38Z")
> [@Amadan](#): > > You are a terrible person, and will surely be cursed for all time for this insolence. Take it to a DM! 😉🤣🤣🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Aelthwyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/aelthwyn/32/4645_2.png) [@Aelthwyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Aelthwyn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/439 "2018-04-29T19:26:00Z")
Sorry I haven’t had the time to read the forum these last weeks and I am catching up very late. > [@Ashasekayi](#): > > Also, what guilds did the devs bust for actual collusion not botting? Two guilds were called out in the past for collusion. However, that was brought out in a messy public thread. They weren’t busted by the devs. These two guilds had asked and received permission from the devs before the very first week of GoW. Back then the devs were neutral on that topic. They decided to consider it as cheating after that call out under the pressure of the forum. > [@Ashasekayi](#): > > There are a great deal of assumptions being made in this statement. From past drama over this issue, the devs haven’t given me a single reason to believe that they routinely look at GW scores to ensure fair play. > > Frankly, the integrity of scores in GW seems very low on the dev priority list to me. They don’t even care enough about GW to make sure inactive guilds aren’t preventing active guilds from making reasonable progress up the brackets. _shrug_ As it has been mentioned in the last posts some guilds have been reported by half the bracket 1 and some evidences that there were still offers of colluding have been shared with the devs. The answer has been this: > [@Why not cheat? (A public letter to the devs)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/why-not-cheat-a-public-letter-to-the-devs/35078/46): > > Hey everyone, it was some time ago, so I’m going to reiterate some points. After examining the all the data, it’s not clear if small amounts of collusion we suspect are taking place are having a significant effect on the final GW results and scores. We have also de-incentivised cheating by implementing changes to the Guild Wars defense scoring. We believe that a guild, or a player, is innocent until proven guilty. we don’t want to encourage witch hunts or have players attacked and/or guilds at… So I agree that it doesn’t seem to be very high in their priorities. Maybe also they don’t know how to deal with it? ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/440 "2018-04-29T20:36:37Z")
> [@Aelthwyn](#): > > As it has been mentioned in the last posts some guilds have been reported by half the bracket 1 and some evidences that there were still offers of colluding have been shared with the devs. This is disappointing, but I’m not the least bit shocked. Thankfully, I’m no longer involved in the Bracket 1 thunderdome, so it doesn’t taint the game for me personally any longer. I still feel bad for the honest players still involved though. ---
**Author:** ![Terrorist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/terrorist/32/11988_2.png) [@Terrorist](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Terrorist)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/441 "2018-04-29T23:21:42Z")
In my opinion the solution to this problem is very simple, the sisters Guilds should not fight with each other,only this situation would be the most fair, and that’s all on this topic. I think that for Developers it would not be difficult to set 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@rojo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/rojo)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/442 "2018-04-29T23:34:17Z")
How do you prove a sister guild? Some sister guilds have not the same name. Another thing how do you get 30 people in a sister guild to cheat. I have seen 5 people in a top guild leave at one and if not for a starter or sister guild to pull players from they would have to play GW without 30. So you think sister guilds are to cheat when in reality its just not the case… ---
**Author:** ![DEMONorANGEL](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/demonorangel/32/41260_2.png) [@DEMONorANGEL](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DEMONorANGEL)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 11:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/443 "2018-04-29T23:54:17Z")
Mabye we can get Robert Muller to investigate this also lol ---
**Author:** ![Terrorist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/terrorist/32/11988_2.png) [@Terrorist](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Terrorist)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 11:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/444 "2018-04-29T23:58:30Z")
all sisters guilds(even if they have different names) is official on this forum and writes in the same one topic that they are be, so you do not have to prove anything. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/445 "2018-04-30T01:31:43Z")
How disingenuous not to mention it wasn’t some random _anonymous_ guild that got called out for this. Still trying to spin that history, eh? ---
**Author:** ![madking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/madking/32/62439_2.png) [@madking](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/madking)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/446 "2018-04-30T05:35:01Z")
That was the first case and happened when there wasn’t a clear rule to forbid collusion. After that, and after the devs clearly stated that collusion is no more allowed, there have been other evidences of bracket1 guilds proposing collusion. All evidences have been sent to devs. ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 7:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/447 "2018-04-30T07:31:53Z")
I’m well aware of the surrounding circumstances. I’m also glad that all evidence of subsequent collusion has been sent to the devs, because that’s exactly where it should go. They are the only ones who can determine if such evidence is actual proof of collusion or not. ---
**Author:** ![Zuboki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zuboki/32/28558_2.png) [@Zuboki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zuboki)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/448 "2018-04-30T13:43:53Z")
> [@Terrorist](#): > > all sisters guilds(even if they have different names) is official on this forum and writes in the same one topic that they are be, so you do not have to prove anything. 😉 Okay then, we’re sister guilds with Tyrant because I’m tired of fighting them. ---
**Author:** ![Taliesin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@Taliesin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taliesin)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674/449 "2018-04-30T22:17:42Z")
Get over it already people. This is the stupidest thing in the world to be worried about. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674.md?page=21)