# Guild War - PvP - Card Imbalances - Cheating AI. Maybe the time to quit **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Created:** [April 26, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138 "2017-04-26T18:00:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/41 "2017-04-26T19:39:47Z")
> [@Harold MEME Thread](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/harold-meme-thread/20024/1337): > > Same with this one hehe Scroll through this thread for a bit… It should make you smile😃 ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/42 "2017-04-26T19:46:51Z")
> [@Esoxnepa](#): > > Honestly, @DonBoba has trolled me worse on things we agree on. I did? I do like to joke a lot, i like making people laugh, but trolling was never my thing. I don’t know where i trolled you and I apologize for that because that wasnt my intention. > [@Luther](#): > > @DonBoba **You don’t sound smart by saying that** > [@Luther](#): > > @DonBoba you can believe whatever you want, but there have been in time so many hints of the AI Cheating that **only someone with ham over their eyes couldn’t spot it**. > You are free to delude yourself This are the posts that made me respond in the way i did. Do you think i am trolling the topic creator? Idc, im just returning it in a measure i find appropriate to what he said. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/43 "2017-04-26T19:50:55Z")
And also @beanie42 i didn’t tag you but i should have. I see you are marking me as a troll here, but you didn’t consider why im responding like this. I think you saw me on forum enough to know that im not a troll. I’m someone who jokes sometimes for the fun of all but thats all. Did you consider what would your response be to stuff i quoted above? The topic created is kind of trollish. When i gave a more normal response topic creator started ofending me. If someone hits me I’ll hit back. Not trying to justify myself, i do what i feel like doing, i just thought you know me better. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/44 "2017-04-26T19:56:52Z")
I was just thinking @DonBoba. Maybe some of them is trolling you now to make you believe that you trolled them? Complicated things… 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Aelthwyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/aelthwyn/32/4645_2.png) [@Aelthwyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Aelthwyn)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/45 "2017-04-26T19:57:16Z")
I don’t agree about the AI cheating. However you could just have reminded how the devs have answered many times to these accusations. Maybe if you had had to fight against the same opponents as Luther, you wouldn’t find GW so easy. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Luther](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/luther/32/24788_2.png) [@Luther](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Luther)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/46 "2017-04-26T19:57:55Z")
@DonBoba I won’t waste further of my time making a process toward you nor the others who used this thread as their personal toilet paper or private message box. Do what you want to do, keep posting, trolling, or doing the righteous thing as you can think of it. If u ever want to come back in a rational way, u will be welcome. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/47 "2017-04-26T20:02:38Z")
> [@Aelthwyn](#): > > However you could just have reminded how the devs have answered many times to these accusations. I could, not disagreeing. However I noticed one thing common for all players thinking AI is cheating. They won’t change their mind even if devs themselves confirm AI isn’t coded to cheat or to be favoured in any way. This has happend in the past. I find it funny that players are speaking of a cheating AI in a game where 99% of the player base has over 90% win rate. So again i could say that. But the topic creator could search for previous topics considering AI and see the official response from devs on that subject. ---
**Author:** ![Luther](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/luther/32/24788_2.png) [@Luther](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Luther)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/48 "2017-04-26T20:04:53Z")
It’s not just the opponents, who were hard to beat, and that is fair. it’s the whole system that NEEDS me beating them, or i’d do no good for my guild. About the AI, i think we will never know the truth, unless we had access to the code to see for ourselves. Personally, i do see hints of that in the differencies between PvP and Explore AI behaviour. But this is just my word. As it is the Devs word just theirs. The code isn’t open for anyone to verify it. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/49 "2017-04-26T20:08:08Z")
> [@Luther](#): > > do see hints of that in the differencies between PvP and Explore AI behaviour. Those hints you see are that explore troops are not combined to make a synergetic team as well as their stats being about 5 times lower then what you encounter in PvP. Mechanics are the same, team strenght is not. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/50 "2017-04-26T20:09:14Z")
> [@Luther](#): > > The code isn’t open for anyone to verify it And code isnt open to avoid people from exploiting it. We have people cheating now, what do you think would happen with an open code? ---
**Author:** ![Luther](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/luther/32/24788_2.png) [@Luther](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Luther)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/51 "2017-04-26T20:09:50Z")
If you ask those players they will testify they weren’t cheating 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ScrewedUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@ScrewedUp](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ScrewedUp)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/52 "2017-04-26T20:10:17Z")
Your own personal experience with RNG (or what you believe to have experienced) over a couple thousand games does not provide any evidence at all, even if you could support it with actual records, due to low sample size. Crying about RNG is futile and foolish, accept it or don’t, but refrain from venting on a public forum if you can’t stomach the rightfully deserved consequences. You only have one good point in your post, the guild war shining a spotlight on balance issues, and that drowned in the ludicrous vent and the resulting fun. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/53 "2017-04-26T20:11:05Z")
Well said sir. ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/54 "2017-04-26T20:11:24Z")
> [@Luther](#): > > Personally, i do see hints of that in the differencies between PvP and Explore AI behaviour. They are different. There is no ‘combo breaker’ or player assistance in PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Luther](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/luther/32/24788_2.png) [@Luther](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Luther)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/55 "2017-04-26T20:15:42Z")
source? i mean, other than Devs claiming it? it’s futile to argue about if it’s true or not, if we both can’t make points to prove it true or not. Devs saying that AI behaviour is normal is just Dev saying that. I mean, they wouldn’t be the first Devs to tell something not true to the public, and being the Devs i can even comprehend why they wouldn’t admit it. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/56 "2017-04-26T20:17:31Z")
Can you share with us your PvP win rate for invades? Because if its over 90% i dont see where you found the problem. We have a member in guild who got to over 1000 win streak. How would you explain AI not cheating against that player? ---
**Author:** ![AeroCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@AeroCloud](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AeroCloud)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/57 "2017-04-26T20:18:52Z")
I have over 1100 win streak ---
**Author:** ![ogunther](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ogunther/32/1464_2.png) [@ogunther](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ogunther)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/58 "2017-04-26T20:24:37Z")
> [@Luther](#): > > source? i mean, other than Devs claiming it? > > it’s futile to argue about if it’s true or not, if we both can’t make points > to prove it true or not. It isn’t up to @ScrewedUp or any other member to disprove your assertation; you’re the one claiming that the game is cheating so it’s up to you to provide the proof to back it up. Just saying (basically) “I feel like this is happening so it is happening” isn’t proof; that’s just your personal observation with zero factual evidence. You can vent all you want but don’t expect forum members to take you seriously if you won’t even take yourself seriously. _shrug_ 😒 ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/59 "2017-04-26T20:25:15Z")
My personal win rate is 96% just calculated. And my sample is rather large. Is the AI cheating in the remaining 4%? Well if it does it can keep on doing it. I’m happy lossing 40 times in every 1000 battles. ---
**Author:** ![Luther](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/luther/32/24788_2.png) [@Luther](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Luther)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138/60 "2017-04-26T20:26:52Z")
I know it isn’t proof. I said that it isn’t backed with proofs. As exactly it isn’t backed up with proofs what the Devs said. I just have to take for true their word. Their word. Also extreme winrates aren’t proof of anything either, as nitpicking the opponent decks to inflate the winrate isn’t exactly like fighting vs the strongest opponent in pvp always. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-war-pvp-card-imbalances-cheating-ai-maybe-the-time-to-quit/23138.md?page=4)