# Guild "agreement" in bracket1 to arrange scores **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Created:** [September 25, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740 "2017-09-25T07:00:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Drawbone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drawbone/32/31150_2.png) [@Drawbone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drawbone)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/127 "2017-09-26T04:02:41Z")
For something constructive, from now on, could devs announce or set a rule officially that such behaviour guilds helping each other in the guild war fighting for diamonds shall be forbidden, even if devs may lack abilities to check it clearly ? This will be a simple action to show your basic attitude and sincereity on it. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/128 "2017-09-26T04:03:00Z")
My biggest issue is the _appearance_ that cheating is tolerated. This i cannot endure. I am sorry ---
**Author:** ![ZooKeeper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zookeeper/32/30875_2.png) [@ZooKeeper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ZooKeeper)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/129 "2017-09-26T04:04:29Z")
Same old same old. Can’t even say _“We’re against colluding in Guild Wars and guilds that involve in those instance will be punished in the future”_? I mean, set aside your ability to detect it, at least can you give us a clear statement where you stand in this matter? As @Lyya said, that’s the start. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/130 "2017-09-26T04:05:02Z")
We believe that collusion is not within the spirit of Guild Wars. If we get solid proof of collusion in future (on our side as well, not just data collected by players) there will be consequences, which at the very least will be the removal of rewards. The guilds in question will also possibly be demoted to a lower bracket. (Sorry, looks like I didn’t make myself clear enough earlier.) ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/131 "2017-09-26T04:06:06Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > e believe that collusion is not within the spirit of Guild Wars. If we get solid proof of collusion in future (on our side as well, not just data collected by players) but you just said you got no way to detect it??? ---
**Author:** ![Drawbone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drawbone/32/31150_2.png) [@Drawbone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drawbone)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/132 "2017-09-26T04:06:45Z")
Even if you do nothing on it now, please show your attitude so that we the players hurt from this are respected. ---
**Author:** ![Saluki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saluki/32/10639_2.png) [@Saluki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saluki)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/133 "2017-09-26T04:06:59Z")
If the players can track the data, why cant you? If you didnt want to use the info sent to you by players in the first week, why would you not monitor the matchup yourselves the next week? ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/134 "2017-09-26T04:07:18Z")
But this has been going on for a very long time now and aparently there is proof so i dont understand why the guilds in question should get off scott free? Hell i dont even know what guilds they are cuz i didnt see the uncensored posts… ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/135 "2017-09-26T04:12:24Z")
It’s hard to detect, which is why we are looking closely into it. We don’t want to move without definitive proof which we are working on now for the future. Like with all accusations of cheating, you know that there are numerous things we look into behind the scenes that players do not have access too. ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/136 "2017-09-26T04:12:41Z")
What is happening now is the very essence of “there’s no rule that says a dog can’t play basketball”. The situation was considered (inaccurately, in my opinion) to be so remote a possibility that there was not even a need to come up with an explicit rule against it. Since there was no rule against it, it doesn’t make sense to punish people for breaking a rule that didn’t exist. Now, however, there _is_ a rule. And thus there is plenty of justification for punishing players who break it. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/137 "2017-09-26T04:13:48Z")
@Grundulum is correct. ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/138 "2017-09-26T04:14:55Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > @Grundulum is correct. so you confirm from now, if 2 guild work together there will be sanctions since this is officially cheating? ---
**Author:** ![Merxian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/merxian/32/20640_2.png) [@Merxian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Merxian)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/139 "2017-09-26T04:15:45Z")
The possibility of collusion was brought up from the very start of GW. It wasn’t remote, one guild approached another guild in order to collude, and the whole thing ended up being discussed in a long thread on the forums. This was over 5 months ago. So the rest of the post, i get, but the “remoteness of the possibility” is not something that holds ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/140 "2017-09-26T04:15:55Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > We believe that collusion is not within the spirit of Guild Wars. If we get solid proof of collusion in future (on our side as well, not just data collected by players) there will be consequences, which at the very least will be the removal of rewards. The guilds in question will also possibly be demoted to a lower bracket. See above. ---
**Author:** ![Saluki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saluki/32/10639_2.png) [@Saluki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saluki)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/141 "2017-09-26T04:16:10Z")
Salty herself said “If we see it affecting results in any significant way we will implement some changes to punish this kind of behavior.” If you say you will punish the behavior, that means you had a stance against it. ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/142 "2017-09-26T04:16:48Z")
ok ty for the answer salty sorry i didin’t saw that part you probably edited it after i readed it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/143 "2017-09-26T04:17:04Z")
I didn’t. D8 ---
**Author:** ![Saluki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saluki/32/10639_2.png) [@Saluki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saluki)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/144 "2017-09-26T04:17:49Z")
And again if you have access to MORE data than we do as players and the data the players can see shows the results of the match-up between the two guilds why cant you see it? ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/145 "2017-09-26T04:19:42Z")
> [@Saluki](#): > > why cant you see it? i think what she try to say is since it was not announced before, team coallusion was not officially cheating so they couldn’t penalize if it was not a rule ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/146 "2017-09-26T04:19:53Z")
I get that and maybe the mistake lies with this > [@Grundulum](#): > > The situation was considered (inaccurately, in my opinion) to be so remote a possibility that there was not even a need to come up with an explicit rule against it. This is an issue that was brought up a long time ago and it seemed to me to be very possible. I disagreed with the stance the devs took at that time and am upset now that it has come to this. I am truly at a loss with how i and my guild should handle this decision by the devs. @Saltypatra i am sorry because i am on the side of the devs way more often then not but i feel like you guys really dropped the ball on this months ago… [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740.md?page=6) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740.md?page=8)