# Guild "agreement" in bracket1 to arrange scores **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Created:** [September 25, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740 "2017-09-25T07:00:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Rellystra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rellystra/32/26238_2.png) [@Rellystra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rellystra)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/533 "2017-09-28T02:49:44Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > We believe that collusion is not within the spirit of Guild Wars. The problem I’m having right now is that this does not line up very well with this: > [@Saltypatra](#): > > We said we had a neutral stance and that if guilds working together significantly altered the results of Guild Wars we would re-evaluate our stance. If the devs always felt it wasn’t in the spirit of the game, why not say so when directly asked by guilds months ago? If they didn’t feel that way months ago, what changed? ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/534 "2017-09-28T02:51:42Z")
We never did 148-2. And yes I don’t think it’s normal that some guilds could have this kind of data. Everyone express themself as they want. ---
**Author:** ![Saluki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saluki/32/10639_2.png) [@Saluki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saluki)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/535 "2017-09-28T02:53:31Z")
That was the other guild in question. Your result was 134-1 on the day. ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/536 "2017-09-28T02:55:39Z")
> [@turintuor](#): > > I continue to say that devs have to do in-game polls if they want to ask something… A poll is very easy to do… Yeah, reconsidering it a little more i imagine it could be possible to create a small in-game feature in the next update to alocate and properly register some data on the server. It would just store some votes (clicks) and done. In this sense we can have polls to decide major issues and maybe some other stuff being changed easily like the news of Kingdom Events like you suggested. Could it work like that @Ozball? Poor Salty is really being overloaded as of late… So could you verify this possibility? ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/537 "2017-09-28T02:57:09Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > In order to prove collusion we’d look at results as a whole. For example - if a guild finishing lower down in bracket one has an “amazingly” good day against another guild higher up, and that guild also has an “unusually” good day in return… we can run some numbers to find the likelihood of collusion. Examing the teams should then tell us all we need to know. The deviation that we have depending of the day color and the guild that we are facing makes this point unreliable. ---
**Author:** ![ZooKeeper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zookeeper/32/30875_2.png) [@ZooKeeper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ZooKeeper)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/538 "2017-09-28T02:57:12Z")
> [@turintuor](#): > > I was just saying that this information should not be accesible by players. > > Are you okay that some guilds are able to know your win ratio and the number of points? Well tell that to yourself and/or your ally. And ask that question to yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/539 "2017-09-28T03:01:49Z")
> [@turintuor](#): > > The deviation that we have depending of the day color and the guild that we are facing makes this point unreliable Not when you go 148-2 or 134-1… Those numbers are unattainable normally… Hell in other circumstances i would be impressed you managed to grab yourself only 1 loss out of 135 just because of bugs and crashes… So yeah those numbers for two guilds against each other would be enough in my mind to take a closer look… If everyone for both guilds set 4x peasants well… That tells it doesnt it? ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/540 "2017-09-28T03:02:43Z")
Doing it okay. Using it like it was an official information, not okay. So even if I can know this information (and I can’t), I will keep it for myself. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/541 "2017-09-28T03:03:57Z")
Why are you opposed to transparency? ---
**Author:** ![Taliesin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@Taliesin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taliesin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/542 "2017-09-28T03:05:00Z")
Well at least you did give an answer. But you all where very naive if you didn’t know that alliances would take place in something called guild wars and very irresponsible for not taking a stance in the first place when it was asked before guild wars started. ---
**Author:** ![Taliesin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@Taliesin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taliesin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/543 "2017-09-28T03:07:45Z")
He wants everyone to access to the same info. If only some can access wins and loss that is not transparency. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/544 "2017-09-28T03:10:00Z")
> [@Vangor](#): > > Those numbers are unattainable normally… Intrim has quite a good result (and I talk about them only because they are first). I assume that their win-ratio should be closed that this one. Of course, we are not Intrim. Do you understand that we are forced to put META teams? My actual defense team is not a META team for the other days. > [@Vangor](#): > > Why are you opposed to transparency? By devs okay. Not by players. Or else they make this information available for everyone. Are you able to know these informations? ---
**Author:** ![ZooKeeper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zookeeper/32/30875_2.png) [@ZooKeeper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ZooKeeper)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/545 "2017-09-28T03:11:06Z")
> [@turintuor](#): > > But I doubt that it’s legal and tolerate that players could search this kind of informations whereas others don’t have it. So are you saying that what person in my screenshot been doing (read: pulling data from server) is illegal? ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/546 "2017-09-28T03:13:14Z")
> [@turintuor](#): > > Are you able to know these informations? To my knowledge if i cared enough to look for it yes i am able to know these informations ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/548 "2017-09-28T03:17:18Z")
Anyone with a computer and a little bit of knowledge can access this information. I’ve been in several guilds where it was a daily, if not hourly, occurance. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/549 "2017-09-28T03:18:46Z")
> [@Guild Wars (Guild Alliances and a Shift in Policy)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-guild-alliances-and-a-shift-in-policy/30889/3): > > I already told you in PM if you want to stop our alliance just don’t make us fight together… I would also like to know what you mean by this ---
**Author:** ![Taliesin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@Taliesin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taliesin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/550 "2017-09-28T03:30:30Z")
You mean knowledge about how to hack the system? ---
**Author:** ![Saluki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saluki/32/10639_2.png) [@Saluki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saluki)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/551 "2017-09-28T03:31:51Z")
Are you saying that Lyya has hacked the system to get the info for the ashtender website? ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/552 "2017-09-28T03:32:08Z")
> [@Taliesin](#): > > You mean knowledge about how to hack the system? You are determined to call everyone a cheater but yourself huh? ---
**Author:** ![Taliesin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@Taliesin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taliesin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/553 "2017-09-28T03:47:39Z")
She says anyone with a little knowledge about a computer can access so please share how is this info being accessed? [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740.md?page=26) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740.md?page=28)