# Guild "agreement" in bracket1 to arrange scores
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740
**Category:** Archive
**Created:** [September 25, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740 "2017-09-25T07:00:51Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Blondie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Blondie)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/309 "2017-09-27T01:23:22Z")
How can you say they are a good Guild? Their collusion was clearly cheating, as they got points that were unreasonably high which kept my guild from climbing up in the ranks? How can you think that was not cheating, when instead of setting their defense to be the best possible defense, they gave another guild easy wins so they could get the same from them? How could you think that was not cheating when they played a guild who purposely set easy defense teams so they could score high?
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/310 "2017-09-27T01:23:59Z")
The defense incitive was suppose to be in 3.1.5 and we know it won’t be in 3.2 so it look like it’s going to take 5-6 months before we see it. Enough time to do lot of damages
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### Author:  [@Blondie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Blondie)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/311 "2017-09-27T01:24:33Z")
So would transparency.
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### Author:  [@ZooKeeper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ZooKeeper)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/312 "2017-09-27T01:27:37Z")
Pardon, which part of my statements in this thread saying that they’re not cheating and I support their behavior?
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### Author:  [@aurvandil](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/aurvandil)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/313 "2017-09-27T01:27:41Z")
This would have to involve awarding GW points for defense teams that win. If the points awarded are substantial enough, it would neutralize the GW point benefit of collusion. To prevent the paragon/champion levels from having an unfair advantage since they have more GW defense battles, the defense win points could perhaps be added to a guild pool and not attributed to any one player when determining GW ranking within the guild.
> [@Saltypatra](#):
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> I read your idea. We are still considering what to do to, and feel that (POTENTIALLY THIS IS NOT GOSPEL) one of the best ways to do so is by incentivising defense teams. This would stop people putting up easy defenses as it would cause them to lose points.
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> This would de-incentivise cheating.
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### Author:  [@Merxian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Merxian)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/314 "2017-09-27T01:28:30Z")
@Saltypatra I understand any long-term solutions from conception, design and implementation will take a while. But in the short term, is it not possible to tweak the scheduling so that ally/sister guilds don’t face each other if they are in the same bracket? There are 10 teams in the bracket, we only play 6 opponents, can’t the schedule be amended so that those 6 teams don’t include said ally? That would go a long way, in the short term, to prevent further colluding without “punishing anyone” but re-establishing an even playing field.
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### Author:  [@Namour](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Namour)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/315 "2017-09-27T01:28:48Z")
For this to work, given the very high win:loss ratio, then a defence win would need to be worth a significant value.
It would also open up a loop-hole where a colluding guild takes a collective dive against their ‘ally’ to allow that ally to win the bracket.
Perhaps you could mask the guild name until reset, and avoid a predictable schedule.
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### Author:  [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/316 "2017-09-27T01:31:49Z")
I think you may have misinterpreted @ZooKeeper’s position. His screen shot was meant to indicate that sharing teams and strategizing is not cheating. He is as much against collusion as most of the rest of us seem to be. Not that he needs me to speak for him; I just don’t want you to have the wrong idea.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/317 "2017-09-27T01:32:25Z")
> [@Namour](#):
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> Perhaps you could mask the guild name until reset,
It will work until they do the first fight and see the player name and they will know against wich guild there are playing
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### Author:  [@aurvandil](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/aurvandil)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/318 "2017-09-27T01:32:30Z")
There should be a sweet spot which balances the outcomes.
> [@Namour](#):
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> For this to work, given the very high win:loss ratio, then a defence win would need to be worth a significant value.
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> It would also open up a loop-hole where a colluding guild takes a collective dive against their ‘ally’ to allow that ally to win the bracket.
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> Perhaps you could mask the guild name until reset, and avoid a predictable schedule.
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### Author:  [@aurvandil](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/aurvandil)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/319 "2017-09-27T01:35:36Z")
A really simple fix would be to mask both guild and player names. Unless you are colluding, player level is probably the only relevant thing you need to know about your opponent.
> [@Rickygervais](#):
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> It will work until they do the first fight and see the player name and they will know against wich guild there are playing
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### Author:  [@Blondie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Blondie)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/320 "2017-09-27T01:38:00Z")
> [@ZooKeeper](#):
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> For me personally, it’s enough for now. Devs has made a clear statement now that they’re against it and this kind behaviour will be punished in the future. Because that’s part of reason why guilds in question did it in the first place. I also understand reasons behind the decision why they won’t punish both guilds.
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> And I’m sure both guilds will stop doing it now that devs has made a clear and strong statement. I’d be surprised if they will continue this behavior after this public outcry. I know they’re good guild and more than capable of winning GWs without having to put their guild reputation in the risk by doing something like this. I have faith.
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> Hope we all, both devs and players learn something out of it. There’s always a rainbow after the storm.
Here is your original post
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/321 "2017-09-27T01:38:21Z")
There is so many way to know who you are fighting, if you check the leaderboard you will see how many points they got and know who you are fighting
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### Author:  [@aurvandil](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/aurvandil)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/322 "2017-09-27T01:39:43Z")
That’s limited to the top 100. Plus the values are constantly changing so it would be hard to use that to tag a player.
> [@Rickygervais](#):
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> There is so many way to know who you are fighting, if you check the leaderboard you will see how many points they got and know who you are fighting
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### Author:  [@Blondie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Blondie)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/323 "2017-09-27T01:40:35Z")
> [@ZooKeeper](#):
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> Pardon, which part of my statements in this thread saying that they’re not cheating and I support their behavior?
You called them a good Guild. I call them cheaters.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/324 "2017-09-27T01:44:56Z")
> [@aurvandil](#):
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> That’s limited to the top 100. Plus the values are constantly changing so it would be hard to use that to tag a player.
I mean the bracket page where you see all the scores, if they hide guild and player name, you still can figure who you are fighting with these scores
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### Author:  [@ZooKeeper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ZooKeeper)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/325 "2017-09-27T01:46:00Z")
They’re capable of winning GWs without having to collude so I was wondering why would they do that and put their guild reputation on the risk.
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### Author:  [@Blondie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Blondie)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/326 "2017-09-27T01:48:29Z")
> [@ZooKeeper](#):
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> They’re capable of winning GWs without having to collude so I was wondering why would they do that and put their guild reputation on the risk.
Maybe they aren’t as good as you think. The top Guilds have a large number of trophies. That means they have played longer. That doesn’t mean they are better.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/327 "2017-09-27T01:49:14Z")
@ZooKeeper Devs reduced gems everywhere so the answer is simple they don’t want to loose their 1500 gems per week
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### Author:  [@Blondie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Blondie)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2017, 1:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/328 "2017-09-27T01:49:27Z")
And if they didn’t cheat, it would be a heck of a lot more fun for the rest of us.
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