# Guild "agreement" in bracket1 to arrange scores **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Created:** [September 25, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740 "2017-09-25T07:00:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/228 "2017-09-26T16:16:59Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > We have said that from here on out we will be punishing guilds accordingly, we have come out with a strong stance. In the meantime we are working on ways to discourage this behaviour in the future through changes to GWs. These fixes will be more effective long term solution than only punishing guilds when they are found colluding. > > As we had not had a strong opinion in the past we didn’t feel it appropriate to punish the guilds found doing so this time. It would go against what we said previously. Now we have come out with a much firmer policy that will be enforced. Did people miss this? Colluding is against the rules now and guilds caught doing it will be punished. When these two guilds did it it wasn’t against the rules so they can’t really be punished. What more do people want? ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/229 "2017-09-26T16:18:11Z")
Blood, it seems. Blood for the blood god! ---
**Author:** ![Delinquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/230 "2017-09-26T16:18:17Z")
> [@MrRee](#): > > It’s time for you all to step up and do what’s right, not what’s easiest. > [@Maxx](#): > > Colluding is against the rules now and guilds caught doing it will be punished. When these two guilds did it it wasn’t against the rules so they can’t really be punished. What more do people want? Seriously?! How is what they are doing not what’s right? Reason has left the building. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/231 "2017-09-26T16:19:13Z")
Ketchup for the hotdog addict you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/232 "2017-09-26T16:19:52Z")
> [@Delinquent](#): > > This is totally absurd. In no just system, anywhere, ever, can you punish people for doing something that isn’t against the rules. Then, it is just a matter of time before people find a way to exploit the game in detritment of others again. As there is no sanction to be applied simply because they, the devs, don’t take responsability for reported cases unless the proverbial “💩 hits the fan.” > [@Delinquent](#): > > You’re literally asking for a totalitarian state where people can be punished for doing things that the dev team arbitrarily decides it doesn’t like, as it likes. I don’t see how any reasonable human being can think that it’s okay for them to punish people based on a rule that was created after the fact. NO THANK YOU. No… You are taking things to a level of absurdity, we are discussing a game and/or company conduct over an event where some guild’s actions hurt other players in the process… Even if the law wasn’t present, but damage was done, then it seems fit that some justice is applied. Now, if you don’t agree please do it in a civil manner without twisting the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/233 "2017-09-26T16:20:04Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > Ketchup for the hotdog addict you mean? Who puts ketchup on hotdogs??? ---
**Author:** ![MrRee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@MrRee](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/MrRee)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/234 "2017-09-26T16:20:12Z")
I very rarely comment here. When I do, no bushes are beat around. That’s how it reads to me. Politician-style dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/235 "2017-09-26T16:20:25Z")
All except of Vangor? ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/236 "2017-09-26T16:22:39Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > All except of Vangor? Not to derail this thread so i will cimment no further after this… In Chicago it is considered a mortal sin to put ketchup on a hotdog ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/237 "2017-09-26T16:23:05Z")
I feel for you guys! 😅 Heinz, the one and only! ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/238 "2017-09-26T16:23:27Z")
> [@MrRee](#): > > I very rarely comment here. When I do, no bushes are beat around. That’s how it reads to me. Politician-style dishonesty Fair enough ---
**Author:** ![Delinquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/239 "2017-09-26T16:23:39Z")
> [@Ivar](#): > > > [@Delinquent](#): > > > > You’re literally asking for a totalitarian state where people can be punished for doing things that the dev team arbitrarily decides it doesn’t like, as it likes. I don’t see how any reasonable human being can think that it’s okay for them to punish people based on a rule that was created after the fact. NO THANK YOU. > > No… You are taking things to a level of absurdity, we are discussing a game and/or company conduct over an event where some guild’s actions hurt other players in the process… Even if the law wasn’t present, but damage was done, then it seems fit that some justice is applied. > > Now, if you don’t agree please do it in a civil manner without twisting the discussion. I’m really not. In very simply terms, here’s what I’m hearing: 1. These players should be punished for doing something we disagree with even though it wasn’t against the rules. 2. In all future cases, we have every right to demand players be punished for doing something we disagree with regardless of the rules. This is literally totalitarianism. You absolutely CANNOT punish people for doing something that is not illegal. Ever. Period. The ONLY appropriate resolution is for them to say it is now illegal and to punish people who break the now-illegal rule moving forward. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/240 "2017-09-26T16:27:12Z")
> [@Delinquent](#): > > This is literally totalitarianism. You absolutely CANNOT punish people for doing something that is not illegal. Ever. Period. > > The ONLY appropriate resolution is for them to say it is now illegal and to punish people who break the now-illegal rule moving forward All excellent points and i would ageee if not for the stance taken by the devs months ago that collusion was a “violation of the spirit of GW” it was pretty clear to me thatit wasnt something that the devs wanted anyone to do. Whether they explicitly made a rule against it is IMO irrelevant ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/241 "2017-09-26T16:27:36Z")
I think you now go to far, and this is unfair and unhelpful - and frankly rude to @Saltypatra who is just doing her job. In my view, the devs made mistakes in: - not taking a firm obvious unambiguous and hostile stand against this the first time it was suggested - not responding quickly enough on this thread with their actions or views That said, these are now addressed. I have mixed view on punitive action - as something might _feel_ just… but logically there’s neither strong enough granular evidence here, nor a clear cut case of what was _actually against any set rules_… I have to agree with @Delinquent and others, the devs can’t punish people now for what wasn’t strictly a crime when they did it… and in all seriousness, we’re talking about possible collusion to manipulate a few free loot rewards in a _game_… it’s hardly murder… ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/242 "2017-09-26T16:33:38Z")
> [@Jainus](#): > > we’re talking about possible collusion to manipulate a few free loot rewards in a game… it’s hardly murder I think we can leave the “possible” out at this point and while true it isnt murder nobody is asking for the death penelty here. I would also add that while also true this _is_ in fact only a game it is a game we **all** have invested a lot of time and energy and in some cases money into so IMHO it is perfectly understandable ppl are upset ---
**Author:** ![Delinquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/243 "2017-09-26T16:37:30Z")
No one is arguing that you shouldn’t be upset. We’re arguing that it’s be resolved as best as anyone can reasonable hope for and it’s time to move on. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/244 "2017-09-26T16:41:58Z")
> [@Delinquent](#): > > it’s time to move on I am out of likes but this is probably best at this point ---
**Author:** ![Hoop](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hoop/32/34118_2.png) [@Hoop](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hoop)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/245 "2017-09-26T16:47:53Z")
Also, it is only a game. So how would taking away something from them in the game be wrong? That’s how I see it. It’s not like we want someone to go to jail for cheating in a game, just penalized in the game they cheated. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/246 "2017-09-26T16:50:57Z")
> [@Jainus](#): > > In my view, the devs made mistakes in: > > - not taking a firm obvious unambiguous and hostile stand against this the first time it was suggested > - not responding quickly enough on this thread with their actions or views > > That said, these are now addressed. I mostly agree with Jainus as per usual. I’ve _reluctantly_ had my eye on this thread for a while now. The general public needs to accept that the devs have their hands tied and can’t do a lot retroactively in this scenario. The _devs_… seriously, make an actual announcement about this or something. A post or two on your new official stance, buried in this thread, isn’t good enough. As for the guilds’ members willingly participating in this shameful business… you’re jerks, honestly. Being on top already wasn’t good enough? ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/247 "2017-09-26T16:52:41Z")
Manipulation or misuse of other’s good faith (devs), in order to obtain personnal gain while they hurt others, in this case competitors for the brackets… Seems like enough legal ground for action. But then, the only measure of _justice_ to be applied is a stern lecture. > [@Delinquent](#): > > We’re arguing that it’s be resolved as best as anyone can reasonable hope for and it’s time to move on. If you feel it’s fine, then by all means you can go. But we hardly saw half the forum’s opinions in this matter and as long as the discussion is healthy and civil the thread should remain open. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740.md?page=11) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740.md?page=13)