# Guild "agreement" in bracket1 to arrange scores **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Created:** [September 25, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740 "2017-09-25T07:00:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![madking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/madking/32/62439_2.png) [@madking](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/madking)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/1 "2017-09-25T07:00:51Z")
So, at first we had this discussion about sister guild or colluding guilds organizing to set easy defense to help other guild maximizing their scores: > [@Guild Wars and sisters guilds](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-and-sisters-guilds/23674): > > If two sisters guilds are in the same bracket and have to fight, how can we know that they can’t organize to set 1 troops defense and have mutual benefits from that? In my opinion that would be really unfair for the final weekly score. > [@](#): > > I did indeed wake up to all the pings! > > The good news is I have an answer for you all regarding this issue. > > Technically, guilds trying this aren’t doing that’s considered illegal in game. However, we have doubts over whether it’s really viable to organize entire guilds to do this. > > Looking at the issue, I think we can all agree that this sort of approach isn’t in the spirit of Guild Wars. If we see it affecting results in any significant way we will implement some changes to punish this kind of behavior. Then, after GW score was changed, we had this > [@Top guilds want clarity in the Guild Wars scoring system!](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/top-guilds-want-clarity-in-the-guild-wars-scoring-system/28582): > > After a two week break, a new system of scoring was established for GW last week. Although a thread had been created to demand suggestions about GW, which received hundreds of replies, the devs have chosen to make changes that were uncalled for on an aspect about which no one was complaining. We are not happy with these changes, for many reasons. The new system is quite complicated and opaque. Several people have tried to decipher the formula. Although some have a general idea of the weight of… And now, we have this ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/e/9/e9ae552fac2282cb12b1b03d916cacedb65aeac7.jpg) So, now everybody can make his own idea on how some guilds arrange scores in bracket1. In other sports, when such a thing happens, the involved teams get demoted or disbanded. Unfortunately, I’m conscious that at the moment we are talking about a practice that devs stated is not illegal, but for how I and my guild play, it’s for sure something out of a fair playing. Mad King ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/2 "2017-09-25T07:04:48Z")
This is disgusting behavior. Any guild doing this should be banned for GW for a few weeks and then demoted to a low bracket after the ban. ---
**Author:** ![DEMONorANGEL](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/demonorangel/32/41260_2.png) [@DEMONorANGEL](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DEMONorANGEL)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/3 "2017-09-25T07:06:59Z")
@madking need to block that players name… call out ☹ ---
**Author:** ![madking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/madking/32/62439_2.png) [@madking](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/madking)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/4 "2017-09-25T07:07:28Z")
I know… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/5 "2017-09-25T07:10:21Z")
I have removed your image as it violates community guidelines. If you call out a player a second time you will receive a ban. ---
**Author:** ![madking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/madking/32/62439_2.png) [@madking](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/madking)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/6 "2017-09-25T07:11:01Z")
Which is devs reply to this? ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/e/9/e9ae552fac2282cb12b1b03d916cacedb65aeac7.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/7 "2017-09-25T07:12:22Z")
We do not have a reply at this time. This thread is also going up at the end of our working day. If this thread gets too heated and violates guidelines once more time it will be closed. We will only move on this issue if it is seen to significantly alter the results of GWs. ---
**Author:** ![Thegreyorc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Thegreyorc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Thegreyorc)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/8 "2017-09-25T07:14:25Z")
Community wants something challenging, devs give them GW to challenge each other, the only option in the game to do so. And then there are always who search for profit … makes me sad. Most players in those guilds probably dont even need all those rewards, as opposed to those who do it honestly and have to go to lower brackets due to that behavior. Human nature I guess ---
**Author:** ![The\_Unforgiven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/the_unforgiven/32/24199_2.png) [@The\_Unforgiven](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/The_Unforgiven)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/9 "2017-09-25T07:14:28Z")
Political Correctness has the world gone mad. You can cheat, but the person that discovers it gets banned 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/10 "2017-09-25T07:17:45Z")
Anyone who violates community guidelines has the potential to be banned. That’s why we have them. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/11 "2017-09-25T07:20:00Z")
I am not in favor of the callout, and believe it should have been handled under other more private means. None the less, the information brought forward in the post is quite concerning. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/12 "2017-09-25T07:20:20Z")
Please contact support or myself with any information such as this in the future. ---
**Author:** ![madking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/madking/32/62439_2.png) [@madking](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/madking)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/14 "2017-09-25T07:21:27Z")
Support has been contacted by many 20 days ago, with all the evidence ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/15 "2017-09-25T07:28:19Z")
Good to see we can see 50% of the teams from day three in the screenshot. 😉👍🏻 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/16 "2017-09-25T07:28:36Z")
As Tacet said, this is quite concerning… ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/17 "2017-09-25T07:31:22Z")
If support or myself has been contacted then you have already taken the best course of action. Posting it publicly is unacceptable, especially because you didn’t censor any of the information in your initial post. It also won’t make us move any faster, as we are already in the process of investigating this again. ---
**Author:** ![madking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/madking/32/62439_2.png) [@madking](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/madking)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/18 "2017-09-25T07:33:03Z")
Could you please let me know if the new censored image is ok with community guidelines? ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/19 "2017-09-25T07:33:53Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > We will only move on this issue if it is seen to significantly alter the results of GWs. In another discussion (PM me for details if desired), the two accused guilds appear to have gone 130-2 or better during the day they faced each other. That is substantially better than the average W-L rate in bracket 1. The margin between finishers during last week’s GW varies from 2,000 to 25,000 based on a quick estimate. That’s certainly close enough to have been affected by 130-2 vs 100-30. ---
**Author:** ![madking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/madking/32/62439_2.png) [@madking](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/madking)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/20 "2017-09-25T07:34:59Z")
148-2 for one and 135-1 for the other guild when facing ---
**Author:** ![Ninertwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ninertwo/32/31489_2.png) [@Ninertwo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ninertwo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740/21 "2017-09-25T07:35:28Z")
I agree with @Tacet and all that this is unacceptable. We also need to give time to the developers to really come up with a good and reasonable fix that is fair, and punitive if proved correct. I have faith that the devs have the welfare of the game at heart. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-agreement-in-bracket1-to-arrange-scores/30740.md?page=2)