# Gray King's Cast isn't considerrd AOE. Why? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [October 8, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409 "2019-10-08T22:52:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/1 "2019-10-08T22:52:09Z")
Says it all in the title. ![Screenshot_20191008-175136](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/2/8/28febcd0512cf0a1b4cce2bee483863faa7ca581.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/2 "2019-10-08T23:21:41Z")
Because, unless all troops share a mana color, it won’t hit every troop. At least that’s my thinking on the subject. But it’s going to be deadly in guild wars defense. ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/3 "2019-10-08T23:22:47Z")
Because it doesn’t always target damage to every enemy. Just like Shocktopus or Champion of Anu. Or Plague. ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 11:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/5 "2019-10-08T23:25:05Z")
The way I see it, because it’s spell effect can be less than four, it’s not considered true AoE. Your opinion may vary. To me, AoE means all troops. It’s the same reason Tina or Infernus aren’t considered AoE. ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/6 "2019-10-08T23:26:21Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > AOE means area of effect (more than one troop). If this was the case for submerge interaction… hoo boy would that be annoying. Please, please lets hope it never comes to that. Shocktopus is not considered AoE for the purposes of submerge, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/7 "2019-10-08T23:29:22Z")
> [@Mithran](#): > > Shocktopus is not considered AoE for the purposes of submerge, by the way. Yeah just tested it. You are correct. It appears I got caught up in the “all Enemies” text description. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 11:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/8 "2019-10-08T23:49:33Z")
The game is kind of wishy-washy with AoE damage. In terms of “video game logic” I agree with you that AoE and “multiple targets” should be synonyms. In GoW, only certain kinds of “multiple targets” are AoE. ---
**Author:** ![Mana\_Surgeon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mana_surgeon/32/55678_2.png) [@Mana\_Surgeon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mana_Surgeon)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 1:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/9 "2019-10-09T01:16:45Z")
Perhaps we need to use different terms? I actually thought AoE meant all enemies, excluding things like splash damage (which is also unaffected by submerge). Similarly, I find it wack that submerge works against mana burn (treated as a status effect for most purposes in the game). ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 4:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/10 "2019-10-09T04:37:29Z")
When have we been able to trust the text to be consistently useful anyway? From a programming perspective, I have to assume _this_ case (and Shocktopus) checks each troop individually. It goes “They chose purple, are you purple _yes_ take damage then” x4. As opposed to checking all troops at once, which _could_ be done but probably not as easily? ---
**Author:** ![Stix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@Stix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stix)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 7:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/11 "2019-10-09T07:47:41Z")
It makes sense. Otherwise submerge should also block splashed damage. ---
**Author:** ![Neritar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/neritar/32/39263_2.png) [@Neritar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Neritar)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 7:59am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/12 "2019-10-09T07:59:23Z")
There is no term as “AOE” in the game. If we look into list of status effects in the help center we can see that " **Submerged troops** avoid all damage effects from spells that are targeted at the whole team (e.g. “all troops” or “split randomly amongst”)." > **[All status effects and immunity Traits](https://gemsofwar.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000335886-All-status-effects-and-immunity-Traits-)** > > Here are the status effects that can be applied to enemy or ally Troops and the corresponding Traits which prevent them. > This article does not include Spells such as "Charmed" which may apply an ef... It was very clear even before release that submerge shouldn’t affect The Gray King cast in any way. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 8:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/13 "2019-10-09T08:17:09Z")
> [@Neritar](#): > > **Submerged troops** avoid all damage effects from spells that are targeted at the whole team So if 4 fire bombs are on defense. And I use Gray King cast on red gems. 🤷‍♂️ As I already stated above. The “all enemies” part of his text. Tripped me up. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 9:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/14 "2019-10-09T09:32:23Z")
Perhaps it could say, “Each Enemy” instead of “All Enemies” to give less of an AoE feel. _Destroy all Gems of a chosen Color. Each Enemy of that Color takes 31 true damage and is Mana Drained, Silenced and Frozen._ ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gray-kings-cast-isnt-considerrd-aoe-why/58409/15 "2019-10-09T11:31:31Z")
When you think about it, very few spells _don’t_ target “all troops”. It’s mostly spells that affect allies that have a condition like “allied Mystics”. It’s only the like “an enemy of that color” offensive spells that have restrictions on what troop they can target. 😉