# Goodbye Gems of War **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [June 9, 2017, 2:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328 "2017-06-09T14:45:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Clark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/clark/32/29631_2.png) [@Clark](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/41 "2017-06-09T20:19:00Z")
> [@Rasper](#): > > And just like that the collaborative nature of GoW gives way to the “For me to win you must lose!” mindset. And THAT is the greatest damage you can do to a fun, social, low-stress casual game. Very well said. ---
**Author:** ![Mad\_Butch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mad_butch/32/22903_2.png) [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/42 "2017-06-09T20:49:44Z")
Bye Dave, I hope you find something fun to play, and hopefully we’ll see you again in the future! Kind regards, Michael ---
**Author:** ![Ssazix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ssazix/32/5347_2.png) [@Ssazix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ssazix)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/43 "2017-06-09T21:17:45Z")
Might I add a PS that there is a great thread of other games that you can play: [http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/when-you-are-tired-of-gow-what-do-you-play](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/when-you-are-tired-of-gow-what-do-you-play) ---
**Author:** ![Nephilim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nephilim/32/29092_2.png) [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/44 "2017-06-09T21:27:12Z")
Good post. No. 25 ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/45 "2017-06-09T21:45:09Z")
You’re completely discounting the catharsis that can happen when a person shares their feelings about something and finds out that other people feel the same way. The reason that the same complaints about GW dominate the forums over and over and over and over is because the same issues dominate GW over and over and over and over. Just because you’ve decided it doesn’t bother you doesn’t mean other people should just shut up and take it. Furthermore, you’ve got it completely backwards. You’re not ever going to quiet the complaining just doing what you’re doing because you’re completely focused on the symptom rather than the cause. You’re not persuading anyone to see your side of it, you’re just pissing them off. ---
**Author:** ![Delinquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/46 "2017-06-09T22:00:50Z")
My side is: This has been said a few hundred times already. Please, if you really need to repeat it, then do it in an existing thread. That seems pretty darn reasonable to me. ---
**Author:** ![Esoxnepa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esoxnepa/32/1837_2.png) [@Esoxnepa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Esoxnepa)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/47 "2017-06-09T22:17:35Z")
Yes. The addition of a core of players into a Beta test team, is one of the methods they have added. I think many more people enjoy GWs than we realize. I have a F2P account in a lower ranked guild, and I watch players who are excited by going 5-0, without one color teams. So they are enjoying what they see of the feature. They don’t seem to grasp how important those mono-color teams are to high scores. Plus, perhaps only a third of their guild even plays. The Development team always gets much more quiet nearing crunch time. The fact that we saw the elimination of 1-troop defenses during this time, tells just how much work it was generating for them, along with seeing that resource gathering was about to hit that exponential growth as more players burned out and just hit the 1 troop teams. > [@AeroCloud](#): > > Do you see the Dev’s actively trying to address these issues or discussing the frustrations with the users? ---
**Author:** ![Ssazix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ssazix/32/5347_2.png) [@Ssazix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ssazix)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 11:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/48 "2017-06-09T23:47:15Z")
This is a good argument. Actually lets take this further. These ‘I hate GW’ threads are like a banker convention where all the bankers are complaining about being punched in the face. And occasionally, a boxer steps into the conference from the boxing convention next door and wonders why everyone has problems getting punched in the face. ---
**Author:** ![Venar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/venar/32/36634_2.png) [@Venar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Venar)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/49 "2017-06-10T00:06:25Z")
Now i wanna see a boxer convention ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/50 "2017-06-10T00:09:01Z")
![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/0/404fdf8cc511f0606e43abe4a31a194afd460c83.jpg) @Venar ---
**Author:** ![thebuck2613](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@thebuck2613](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/thebuck2613)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 2:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/51 "2017-06-10T02:40:26Z")
> [@daveis23](#): > > I’m not bitter but I am just not having fun anymore. With the Defense nerf and the fact that there are only three or four teams that most end gamers use has ruined this game for me. sounds bitter to me and are you really complaining about fighting 3 or 4 same teams when you would see 1 to 3 same teams with the 1 troop defense? as some of my friends would say Bye Felicia ---
**Author:** ![Manly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Manly](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Manly)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/52 "2017-06-10T16:11:56Z")
> [@daveis23](#): > > I may revisit in the future if some major changes are made but it will most likely be awhile. If a game is no longer fun, then it’s best to take some time off and try other things. Your perspective might change after a while, and you might find yourself coming back. But for now it’s best to take a break. ---
**Author:** ![zachraziel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zachraziel/32/3836_2.png) [@zachraziel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/zachraziel)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/53 "2017-06-10T19:44:15Z")
> [@Rasper](#): > > And just like that the collaborative nature of GoW gives way to the “For me to win you must lose!” mindset Just a question, when was it a win/win mindset? PVP doesn’t have a loser in a battle? ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/54 "2017-06-10T19:53:59Z")
> [@zachraziel](#): > > > [@Rasper](#): > > > > And just like that the collaborative nature of GoW gives way to the “For me to win you must lose!” mindset > > Just a question, when was it a win/win mindset? > PVP doesn’t have a loser in a battle? If someone invades me, I get rewards regardless if they win or lose. Sure, I get more if I defeat them, but I get more by losing than I do by having a team they refuse to battle. ---
**Author:** ![zachraziel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zachraziel/32/3836_2.png) [@zachraziel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/zachraziel)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/55 "2017-06-10T19:56:16Z")
So you want all your defences to lose and all your invades to win? There’s a win/win game out there somewhere, I think it’s called FarmVille ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/56 "2017-06-10T19:57:08Z")
> [@zachraziel](#): > > So you want all your defences to lose and all your invades to win? > > There’s a win/win game out there somewhere, I think it’s called FarmVille _sigh_ nevermind, you’re evidently not going to grasp what I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![zachraziel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zachraziel/32/3836_2.png) [@zachraziel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/zachraziel)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/57 "2017-06-10T19:59:52Z")
Oh I understand, people are starting to get sore because wins and losses actually mean something in Guild Wars. It’s how it should be in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/58 "2017-06-10T20:13:05Z")
@zachraziel i dont think that is what @Rasper is talking about and i think you know it ---
**Author:** ![zachraziel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zachraziel/32/3836_2.png) [@zachraziel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/zachraziel)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/59 "2017-06-10T20:24:23Z")
> [@Rasper](#): > > Then comes GW and suddenly it is in my best interest to set a defend that is as annoying and gimicky as possible, because if I can make you lose a troop your guild gets fewer points which just might let my guild get more gems, or move up a bracket! No I think he mentions quite clearly that it’s about winning and making others lose. Again, this is how it should be? It is a competition against rivals after all, not a repetition of wins or losses like it is in PVP. When people lose, they get upset. It’s understandable. I just don’t know how it got to be anything other than this _mindset_ in PVP, of wins and losses not mattering to anyone. I guess now that it’s in plain sight for all the guild to see, it must be hard for some people. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328/60 "2017-06-10T20:28:18Z")
If you dont understand why ranked pvp defend losses might be preferable than i cant help ya brudda but maybe @discobot can… @discobot fortune [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/goodbye-gems-of-war/25328.md?page=4)