# Good news/Bad news **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [February 17, 2017, 6:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182 "2017-02-17T06:54:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Cold\_Zombie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cold_zombie/32/17158_2.png) [@Cold\_Zombie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cold_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 6:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/1 "2017-02-17T06:54:39Z")
Bad news, my dad just got laid off. So we might be homeless in 30 days unless he can find a job. Good news, I GOT DRAGON SOUL!!! can someone help me with AoE team (non dragon) to put him in??! This game has been keeping my mind off things. ---
**Author:** ![Lothar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@Lothar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lothar)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 7:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/2 "2017-02-17T07:08:35Z")
The definition of silver linings…best of luck to you and yours ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 7:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/3 "2017-02-17T07:26:08Z")
> [@Cold\_Zombie](#): > > my dad just got laid off What part of the country are you in and what does your Dad do? Secondly there are many programs for those that are laid off. I can connect your Dad to some great people who can help. ---
**Author:** ![Cold\_Zombie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cold_zombie/32/17158_2.png) [@Cold\_Zombie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cold_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 7:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/4 "2017-02-17T07:26:23Z")
Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Cold\_Zombie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cold_zombie/32/17158_2.png) [@Cold\_Zombie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cold_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 7:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/5 "2017-02-17T07:41:21Z")
My dad went to college for very precise thing. He worked at Siemens writing code and working on air conditioners. He applied for 30 jobs today. ---
**Author:** ![Beowulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/beowulf/32/26390_2.png) [@Beowulf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Beowulf)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/6 "2017-02-17T09:22:01Z")
Gorgotha, TDS, Behemoth, Mercy. All fully traited ---
**Author:** ![Cold\_Zombie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cold_zombie/32/17158_2.png) [@Cold\_Zombie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cold_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/7 "2017-02-17T09:35:57Z")
What that team do enough damage? ---
**Author:** ![ZooKeeper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zookeeper/32/30875_2.png) [@ZooKeeper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ZooKeeper)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 11:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/8 "2017-02-17T11:33:54Z")
I usually pair TDS with Gorgotha. You can put almost any nuker, either AoE or heavy single nuke, behind those two. Once either Gorgotha or TDS filled, you can start rolling that deck. Both can fill each other and whole team almost every turn. As for banner, I usually use Abyssal Banner (+2 purple +1 red -1 yellow) for every deck with TDS. Here’s some of my Gorgotha-TDS deck: Gorgotha TDS Kraken Death/Webspinner/Rowanne Gorgotha TDS Shadow Hunter/Behemoth Blade Dancer/Rowanne Gorgotha TDS Famine/Paladin Shadow Hunter/Venbarak/Krystenax ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 11:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/9 "2017-02-17T11:38:01Z")
I use the Golgotha,TDS,Kraken,Death team Zoo suggested, and it’s a blast to play with. I also have rarely lost a battle with it because it mana blocks the enemy team so much. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 12:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/10 "2017-02-17T12:59:11Z")
why do you want a non-dragon team with TDS in? it makes no sense, do you want to use him only as a secondary mana charger not actually main attacker? that way you might miss most of the fun 😱 if you just got your “first” TDS maybe try a regular dragon team with him? 😉 console: Sylva DS shandow\_dragon(or banshee) venbarak pc/mobile: Kryste Sylva DS shadow\_dragon(or venbarak) - abysmal banner ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/11 "2017-02-17T17:50:09Z")
> [@Annaerith](#): > > why do you want a non-dragon team with TDS in? I agree. If you want a TDS AOE team, then use other AOE dragons. Sylvanimora and Venbarak are good choices. Zookeeper’s suggestions make a lot of sense also, but with that, you’re using TDS primarily as an exploder and not an AOE troop. When you take away the bonus dragon damage for TDS, exploder is a more appropriate role. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/12 "2017-02-17T17:51:54Z")
Celestasia or Borealis on the front of Sylvanimora / TDS / Venbarak…uber. And if you can put Humility at the top instead…😋 ---
**Author:** ![Cold\_Zombie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cold_zombie/32/17158_2.png) [@Cold\_Zombie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cold_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/13 "2017-02-17T18:42:12Z")
The problem is I don’t have ANY AoE dragons 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/14 "2017-02-17T18:58:43Z")
Ah, gotcha. I love TDS and will use him primarily as an exploder. I find that once he gets going, he can usually recharge his own mana with every cast. I use Sylvanimora as a back-up, but my wife uses an all-dragon team with Celestasia, Dragotaur, TDS and Emperina. In that line-up, TDS is there for AOE and to fill mana, Celestasia is there as a meat-shield, Dragotaur can buff attack and armor and Emperina can cleanse and refill life. Once TDS casts, you’re doing 20 damage to everyone, filling everyone’s mana and Emperina and Dragotaur can really boost Celestasia’s attack so that any occasional skull matches are devastating. Multiple AOE troops aren’t really needed, since TDS can cast repeatedly. Using TDS as an AOE troop with non-dragons really diminishes its effectiveness as you’re now doing 11 damage instead of 20. If you’re going just for AOE, there are better options out there. ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/15 "2017-02-17T19:16:17Z")
Lady Ironbeard, with the +50% currently, is a great nuker to add in. ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/16 "2017-02-17T20:32:25Z")
Gorgotha\*\*\*/TDS\*\*\*/Hero(Spider Totem)/Sir Snothelm\*\*\* This is a unique variant that works very well, fill either TDS or Gorgotha, explode, fill Hero AND Sir Snot. Cast Sir Snot on enemy you want to assassinate, web, entangle, and gain extra turn, then fire Hero’s Spider Totem on the now webbed opponent, gaining an extra turn, fire off whichever exploder is full. Rinse repeat. Win. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@death](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/death)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/17 "2017-02-17T22:01:38Z")
Yes I’m amazed every time I play against dragon soul on Console. Not only does he refill himself but his 3friends also. Not bad considering he explodes a lot less gems then Gorgotha. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/18 "2017-02-17T22:41:39Z")
That’s partially due to the diminishing returns you get with more exploded Gems. Just for fun, I just wrote a simulator that simulates explodes of 1 to 30 gems on an 8x8 board, across a million trials for each number of explosions, and calculates the average number of destroyed gems per explosion. ``` Exploded Destroyed ======== ========= 1 7.561303 2 14.183169 3 19.996500 4 25.084244 5 29.561680 6 33.479082 7 36.946478 8 39.984386 9 42.666210 10 45.026604 11 47.112513 12 48.946650 13 50.571160 14 52.014138 15 53.282962 16 54.417065 17 55.425743 18 56.309690 19 57.102063 20 57.810127 21 58.438365 22 58.998906 23 59.499533 24 59.942867 25 60.343145 26 60.699484 27 61.016209 28 61.299726 29 61.558639 30 61.791511 ``` ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/19 "2017-02-17T22:43:39Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > Just for fun 😕 ---
**Author:** ![PGSundling](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/pgsundling/32/39480_2.png) [@PGSundling](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/PGSundling)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/20 "2017-02-17T23:02:57Z")
Part of the reason you need those extra gems to explode is famine reducing your magic every so often. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182.md?page=2)