# Good defense teams? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [August 30, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674 "2016-08-30T18:48:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/1 "2016-08-30T18:48:29Z")
I spent the last couple of days training up Behemoth. I’ve been using an invade team of: Khorvash / Valk / Mercy / Behemoth Extremely effective against just about everything. However, since I know Mercy is pretty bad in the hands of the AI, I switched it up to: Khorvash / Valk / Behemoth / Hydra All troops have all 3 traits. It seems like I’m simply not generating enough blue mana to charge Hydra and his traits aren’t all that great. Any slight tweaks I could make to improve the win rate? ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/2 "2016-08-30T18:55:22Z")
Is crimson bat not more useful than behemoth? Considering khorvash does true damage ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/3 "2016-08-30T18:57:06Z")
Probably. I haven’t tried him yet. Would I scrap Hydra too and try something else with True Damage in that spot? ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/4 "2016-08-30T18:58:29Z")
Is there a green/purple one? Venoxia for blue gems? Or Psion has blue/purple ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/5 "2016-08-30T19:01:36Z")
Venoxia, good call. Going to work on traits for her. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/6 "2016-08-30T19:08:52Z")
That 3rd trait sounds very useful to the team. Might steal them once I get Khorvash ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/7 "2016-08-30T19:13:41Z")
She does true damage and generates blue mana so that makes her pretty useful. Not sure what to plug into the other slot though. Maybe I’ll leave Behemoth. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/8 "2016-08-30T19:16:16Z")
Thought it was Crimson Bat ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/9 "2016-08-30T19:19:07Z")
oh yeah, i suppose I could do that. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/10 "2016-08-30T19:25:08Z")
I just got Mab the other day. Her 3rd trait could be quite annoying in that kind of setup. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/11 "2016-08-30T19:38:16Z")
Almost wonder if putting Maw in my invade team might be better than Behemoth. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/12 "2016-08-30T19:42:01Z")
Marilith and Crimson Bat are nasty to add to Khorvash’s true damage. Overall you want to avoid running true and non-true damage on the same team since its inefficient. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/13 "2016-08-30T19:43:39Z")
That’s exactly what I figured. Would you do Venoxia with one of them, probably Bat? ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/14 "2016-08-30T19:46:10Z")
Waiting for Mab on console. First time I have the traitstones waiting. Moderately excited ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/15 "2016-08-30T19:51:13Z")
Right now, because both of them have the capability to generate mana, I’m going with a lineup of: Khorvash / Green Seer / Venoxia / Marilith We’ll see how it works once I get them traited. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/16 "2016-08-30T19:52:32Z")
Venoxia is useful but the true damage component isn’t stellar. If you’re using a Valkyrie or a Green Seer, its OK to have a color or two missing from your team, since the transformers will tend to try to transform the one/s you don’t use. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/17 "2016-08-30T19:55:18Z")
And I just got my first defense victory with them. 1 for 1. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/18 "2016-08-30T20:42:17Z")
So I ended up focusing on Crimson Bat, since Arcane Bloods are available via Glory this week. The current lineup I’m using is: Khorvash / Valk / Bat / Anubite I settled on Anubite because I already had him leveled and traited, so: 1. He buffs all other troops. 2. He summons a fortress gate in the event that Khorvash dies, protecting the Bat. 3. His buff to armor removes all skulls, further protecting my troops from damage. 4. He gives a +3 to armor when defending. ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/19 "2016-08-30T20:52:15Z")
Spirit Fox. Green/purple. Removes all yellow gems, does 13 true damage boosted by gems removed. Also has stealthy and empowered for its second and third traits. One of my favorites. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674/20 "2016-08-30T20:53:19Z")
Doesn’t Spirit Fox stymie Valkyrie though? I want to make sure Khorvash gets filled as quickly as possible, he’s my primary offensive weapon. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams/11674.md?page=2)