# Good defense teams without Gorgotha/Mab/Famine/Justice? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PlayStation 4/Xbox One)\ **Created:** [July 9, 2017, 12:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams-without-gorgotha-mab-famine-justice/27106 "2017-07-09T00:43:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Griswald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/griswald/32/27385_2.png) [@Griswald](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Griswald)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 12:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams-without-gorgotha-mab-famine-justice/27106/1 "2017-07-09T00:43:04Z")
There has been some good discussion about how to beat the justice league teams. Do people have suggestions for interesting and effective alternative defense teams that do not contain any of the usual suspects? I’ve been experimenting a lot with different ideas, but unfortunately they all kind of suck in the hands of the AI, even when they work well when I use them. I refuse to put up anything with justice/mab. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams-without-gorgotha-mab-famine-justice/27106/2 "2017-07-09T00:54:42Z")
Kerberos, Giant Spider, Forest Guardian, Kerberos Simple and to the point. Get a quick MUNCH with barriers for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Santandrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/santandrix/32/68758_2.png) [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams-without-gorgotha-mab-famine-justice/27106/3 "2017-07-09T00:55:42Z")
I always try and use the event troops, to help others and even this week, just for boosts. Poison master Naga queen Scale gaurd Scale gaurd ---
**Author:** ![Griswald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/griswald/32/27385_2.png) [@Griswald](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Griswald)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 11:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams-without-gorgotha-mab-famine-justice/27106/5 "2017-07-09T11:20:11Z")
Thanks! I certainly use the event troops when relevant, at least for PVP defense. Do you use the same defense for pvp as for GW? ---
**Author:** ![Santandrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/santandrix/32/68758_2.png) [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 1:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams-without-gorgotha-mab-famine-justice/27106/6 "2017-07-09T13:04:10Z")
I have depending on how tough they are, but with guild wars I try and counter the colors. ---
**Author:** ![Santandrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/santandrix/32/68758_2.png) [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-defense-teams-without-gorgotha-mab-famine-justice/27106/7 "2017-07-09T13:05:30Z")
> [@Complete list of color counters troops](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/complete-list-of-color-counters-troops/23237): > > EDIT: There was a lot of changes, but I’m too lazy to keep an eye for them. This topic was picked up by Krudler here [Big list of color counter Troops and Weapons - #5 by Zippity](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/big-list-of-color-counter-troops-and-weapons/32794/5) Have fun! YELLOW gems removal: Dark Maiden Drake Rider Holy Avenger Jackelope Pegasus Pharos Ra Shadow Dragon Spirit Fox Sunsail ANTI YELLOW: Desdaemona Visk BROWN gems removal: Forest Guardian Infernal King Lion’s Claw Naga Queen Treant ANTI BROWN: Gnoll Sylph RED gems removal: Frozen Soul Gla… I’m adding this here so I can find it quickly. Hope this helps you as well.