# Getting sick of this meta
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188
**Category:** Uncategorized
**Created:** [September 4, 2018, 5:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188 "2018-09-04T05:06:26Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/23 "2018-09-13T20:28:41Z")
I vote a half start for all races. š
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/24 "2018-09-13T20:28:53Z")
Most of the other races need some serious rework for even having a potential 50% to all the specific races trait - to even reach the meta.
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### Author:  [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/25 "2018-09-13T20:30:06Z")
Knights might actually work.
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/26 "2018-09-13T20:31:15Z")
Orcs probably just need a great damage dealer AoE - possibly Hero. Orcs needs badly a class now.
Garganteur needs a serious buff as well. Then we can see Orc teams reaching the meta too.
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### Author:  [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/27 "2018-09-13T20:31:56Z")
I have seen orcs hit hard on green day.
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/28 "2018-09-13T20:33:05Z")
All knights starts out with 50 % mana, makes hope for hero as well in a knight team. Would also be great with a pretty solid Knight exploder/mana generator that using any other colors than red/blue.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/29 "2018-09-13T20:33:06Z")
> [@Santandrix](#):
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> I vote a half start for all races. š
I donāt think goblin and demon (particuallary famine) need 50% start š
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### Author:  [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/30 "2018-09-13T20:34:32Z")
After all my knight and human daily tasks for 2 years, these two could both be great half starts.
A knight explorer would be amazing!
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/31 "2018-09-13T20:34:45Z")
I wouldnt mind famine with 50% start tho, so a BIG FAT yes for deamons starting out with 50 % mana as well, as there is quite some immune to mana drain troops in the game now. Goblins dont need fast, but a few of them could have their mana reduced by 1-2 points, maybe. Still Goblins need a real check as well, they are not very good nor relieable for endgame players to use.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/32 "2018-09-13T20:36:04Z")
So you fine with gorgo 1/2 mana start? It would be the new meta in no time
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/33 "2018-09-13T20:36:23Z")
Humans is really poor in this game. ā¹
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/34 "2018-09-13T20:37:26Z")
Now that they reduced the effect of explosions I dont fear Gorgothan as much. So I would like it yes. Ragnagord is another exploder that starts out with fast, not as good as Gorgothan, but not far from.
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### Author:  [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/35 "2018-09-13T20:41:14Z")
> [@Slypenslyde](#):
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> Everyone always complains they want a challenge via nerfs, but nobody wants to take the āPvP leaderboard with 4 Peasantsā challenge for some reason.
With the bloody plague that is 4 x Firebombs, this actually is a viable team to use all the way to Tier 1.
I hope this team is fixed by restricting the number of indentical troops on a team. Quite often all my choices are 4 x Firebombsā¦ Sigh.
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/36 "2018-09-13T20:41:34Z")
I see @Drathas is saying something. Good Evening Goodwill, what kind of buffs should Nagas gotten?
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### Author:  [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/37 "2018-09-13T20:47:48Z")
Haha! Naga Queen should have got a buff to her card art for starters.
And despite my reservations around Viper she isnāt actually too bad, cause a Deathmark and disease as well in her spell. Unfortunately, poor Poison Master got caught in the explosion change so my Naga team is somewhat slower.
Iād have to re look at the others as I really only use PM, Euryali, Viper and Marilith.
But what they really is the long await buff to Poison!! š
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/38 "2018-09-13T20:49:30Z")
> [@Drathas](#):
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> poor Poison Master got caught in the explosion change
Wouldnt he be better if they adjusted him to explode 15+ random gems instead of being dependent on the green gems only? That would make him a better exploder in general.
Also would not all Nagas starts out with 50% mana trait work here?
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### Author:  [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/39 "2018-09-13T21:01:03Z")
I like that he explodes Green only, it also means you are guaranteed to generate green mana and it fits his Poison theme.
Also quicker as you donāt have to target the spell haha.
Iām not so sure 50% mana is needed as pre explode nerf in my team Only needed two blue or purple matches and PM was ready, and his explosion would more than likely self fill anyway, plus the Nagas donāt really have any devastating one shot type spells worth casting a turn earlier than normal. I am looking at this in a full Naga team point of view.
I would prefer something different like a āFearā mechanic on their troops or the legendaries+ at least, which can cause an opponent troop to ārun awayā. This is in the game now with the Gnones/Raven and would fit thematically for a Snake race. š
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 9:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/40 "2018-09-13T21:02:48Z")
But would it be enough to impress the divines? That is the real question.
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### Author:  [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 9:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/41 "2018-09-13T21:05:20Z")
If Ubastet runs away, itās as good as Deathmark. Naga donāt have the spell damage to defeat the Divines spell to spell, which is why I run the Assassin hero with Hammer of Urskaya to enrage and skull smash them from the front and assassinate (hopefully) from the back.
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/getting-sick-of-this-meta/45188/42 "2018-09-13T21:10:36Z")
You are the only one I know of that is using Naga sometimes as it stands. That was why I asked you the question too. For me it seems like they need a major buff or something to have a chance to compete with the Divines. Thats what this discussion was all about. What buffs would be necessary for us to manage to get a 90%+ win rate in 3 trophies Ranked PvP versus the Divine meta by using a pure Naga team?
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