# Gems of Streaming **URL:** \ **Category:** Official News\ **Created:** [September 18, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463 "2017-09-18T23:46:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 139
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2810 "2019-08-22T17:45:22Z")
> [@Slypenslyde](#): > > I think the best time to get ugly about things like this are _before they release_ when the most can be done about it. Post-release your best move is to take at least a small vacation from the game. En masse. Metrics are king and it’d be DEVASTATING to the game’s appearance if top guilds actually participated in a walkout. You could wait to see their release rate of deeds before causing panic… ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2811 "2019-08-22T17:49:24Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#): > > > NEW BONUS: Kingdom Team Bonus (levels 6, 9, 11, 13) Additional bonus for building kingdom based teams. > > Thinking about this a bit, is it really a team composition bonus (applying only when using multiple different troops from the same kingdom) or rather a kingdom origin bonus (applying to any troop from that kingdom, no matter in which team it gets used). We currently already have a team composition bonus for kingdoms (as well as for tribes and mana colors), so having one of those from two sources feels odd (unless this is a straight replacement, which doesn’t seem to have been mentioned). A flat stat boost for all troops from the same kingdom would sound far more exciting to me, we don’t have that yet. They showed off the Broken Spire one on stream. It looked to be a second bonus for team composition, but different stats slightly from the original set of bonuses. 25:09 to about 26:32 King of the Spire: 12 life, 4 attack for 4 Broken Spire troops (with their current pet level) Kingdom Team Bonus III: 12 life, 6 armor for 4 Broken Spire troops (with their current pet level) ---
**Author:** ![Lyrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyrian/32/61071_2.png) [@Lyrian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyrian)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2812 "2019-08-23T02:49:21Z")
> [@Jonathan](#): > > I heard Lyrian pronounces gif as ‘jif’. ![jif-creamy-peanut-butter-800x800](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/8/4/8462f6b86e85e2f0c23d560323bd7565f3481eb0.png) Peanut butter, you say? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lyrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyrian/32/61071_2.png) [@Lyrian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyrian)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 3:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2813 "2019-08-23T03:05:57Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#): > > Thinking about this a bit, is it really a team composition bonus (applying only when using multiple different troops from the same kingdom) or rather a kingdom origin bonus (applying to any troop from that kingdom, no matter in which team it gets used). We currently already have a team composition bonus for kingdoms (as well as for tribes and mana colors), so having one of those from two sources feels odd (unless this is a straight replacement, which doesn’t seem to have been mentioned). A flat stat boost for all troops from the same kingdom would sound far more exciting to me, we don’t have that yet. > [@TheIdleOne](#): > > They showed off the Broken Spire one on stream. It looked to be a second bonus for team composition, but different stats slightly from the original set of bonuses. 25:09 to about 26:32 Thanks for point out a example pic of this that was shown on stream, so I can actually post here for others to see. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/e/f/efa0c452a310108f9993bd3a265cb81777e783f1.jpeg) The bonuses are based on the stat that kingdom boosts. In the picture, King of the Spire and Kingdom Bonus III are seperate, stackable boosts. Both of which are being augmented by Minifernus. The bonus pictured could be higher, if Kingdom Team Bonus was increased to level IV and Minifernus’s pet rarity was raised (doubt it is mythic). ---
**Author:** ![Smash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/smash/32/5574_2.png) [@Smash](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Smash)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 4:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2814 "2019-08-23T04:47:48Z")
As someone who has Minifernus at Mythic, I went and checked. The exact same team this is the Mythic bonus: ![GemsOfWar_2019-08-23_14-42-46](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/4/3478d7966258e10a8ab32d692f3507d476f8c93a.png) I assume base stats would be 2 attack and 6 life, which would mean that Salty has it at Rare? with a 2\* bonus. Using that logic, base rate for the new 1 at Bonus 3 would be 6 life and 3 armor. Meaning at Mythic for Kingdom bonus 3 you would get 18 life and 9 armor. ---
**Author:** ![KYLENATOR001](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kylenator001/32/33983_2.png) [@KYLENATOR001](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KYLENATOR001)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2815 "2019-08-23T13:43:00Z")
Maybe they’re just being jelly? ---
**Author:** ![RedRoseWarrior](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/redrosewarrior/32/41880_2.png) [@RedRoseWarrior](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RedRoseWarrior)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2816 "2019-08-23T20:47:15Z")
Glad I waited to do my Challenges lol I just never did them glad I didn’t. The having the same adventure board tasks and deed tasks I don’t like but, it keeps people from claiming it’s not fair so I’ll take it XD. Also glad I already unlocked all my kingdoms and did the quests. Also I heard 4.6 was gonna have treasure hunt changes but, ig that changed rip. Glad to hear the flash offers are coming to PS4 now finally lets hope it actually happens this time XD. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 1:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2817 "2019-08-26T01:01:08Z")
I just can’t believe that we have gotten to the point where we are comparing a F2P game to an abusive relationship. I have a lot I want to say about this, but I won’t go into it too much. Abusive relationships are inherently damaging, and equating them to a game that you are free to leave seems in poor form. Many people are afraid to leave abusive relationships, and often for good reason, such as violence, threats of suicide, etc. So… Yeah… Maybe not the best parallel to draw to a F2P game that you enjoy and choose to play, and can one day leave in pursuit of another game, or even no game at all. On another note, I made a mistake because of a miscommunication in our office. It’s no one’s fault but my own, and things change in the development cycle. @Lyrian was correct, and as soon as I realised my error I was happy to come forward and clarify. It doesn’t happen often, and I do my best wherever I can, but I am also human. Thank you for understanding everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Magnusimus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/magnusimus/32/50652_2.png) [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2818 "2019-08-26T01:47:29Z")
Abuse harms in many ways. A casino taking advantage of a gambling addict is abusive, even without any threat of bodily harm or outward coercion. So, too, is a video game if it knowingly and willingly affects the emotional or mental well-being of a player in a negative way. Mechanics designed to get players to play more hours than is healthy, or spend more money than is wise, are abusive in this manner; it’s exactly the same as a cigarette company claiming no responsibility for the potential harm(s) of their product(s) just because their customers “willingly participate.” You are right, of course, that at this point the key distinction between the types of domestic violence you outline and the abusive, commercial relationships many in your playerbase probably experience (at least to some degree) is _criminality,_—rarely do cigarette makers or gacha-game-devs go to jail—but that doesn’t make the underlaying power structures at play any more dissimilar or less problematic. And denying, minimizing, or otherwise dismissing the concerns of others is a classic means of maintaining control, by the way—it’s similar to gaslighting, in that it’s meant to invalidate the abused’s position and replace it with the abuser’s. I’m not saying that Gems of War has a responsibility to be the Wokest-game-on-Earth or that any Dev should go to jail for creating it. But I am saying I, as a player, would have appreciated the community liaison to, at the very least, _entertain_ the notion set forth by one of the more vocal members of its community rather than dismiss it out-of-hand in, what seemed to me, to be an uglier-than-necessary fashion. Batman’s the hero Gotham needs, not the one it deserves. We as players don’t deserve Batman—we’re complainers who never appreciate anything and constantly gripe and snipe—but we _need_ you to be Batman, regardless, Salty. Otherwise, chaos reigns ✌ ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 2:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2819 "2019-08-26T02:03:51Z")
Woah, what is even happening? I’m clearly bot trying to diminish anything, which is why I’m happy for people to have this conversation. But I do think pointing out that comparing things to an abusive relationship is a bit of a reach, and potentially very upsetting and damaging. We listened to our beta testers when they said that they were unhappy with the randomness of deeds, so we made sure that they would be equally available from adventure board tasks. We do act on feedback, and will continue to do so. I’m not dismissing anyone’s feedback, or valid concern, I just don’t think we should be equating a game design decision to an abusive relationship. I don’t believe my reaction was unfair or unreasonable. If you feel strongly about the power structures (perceived or real) at play in F2P titles, that is something you are welcome to research and comment upon. I won’t stop you, and neither will our developers. We have always let conversations run their course until they have become abusive or inflammatory towards the developers or other players. (Though we often let a lot of the strongly worded and aggressive comments aimed towards us go.) We are passionate at Gems of War about making sure that a player does not have to purchase to progress in game. Many other titles in the F2P landscape do not share this view. I understand that players wish we could do it in different ways, or that grinding for resources was easier, etc, but we aren’t always able to make those decisions. Morally, we are okay with how we have approached this genre of game, and do our best to uphold these morals when and where we can. We don’t want a stamina system that bars play, and forces players to spend money in order to start or continue playing PVP, or even participating in weekly guild events. This responsibility to be Batman feels like too much. I’m happy being your liaison, curating your feedback and championing your quality of life requests/suggestions, but I’d ideally like to maintain a mutually respectful relationship with the people I am trying to help and represent. I’m not a martyr that will do whatever they can to help while being mistreated, so please do not treat me as such. EDIT: And, as always, we are going to be watching everything carefully after 4.5 releases, and changes may be made to the way players can earn and access Deeds. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2820 "2019-08-26T02:16:11Z")
So, on a note that isn’t very depressing and potentially inflammatory… This is the Gems of Streaming thread. Please feel free to start a thread to discuss the particulars of Deeds if you so wish, for ease of access and understanding. I will be streaming about the City of Thieves tomorrow! You will have a chance to see the upcoming troops, and the Delve layout, in action. ---
**Author:** ![KYLENATOR001](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kylenator001/32/33983_2.png) [@KYLENATOR001](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KYLENATOR001)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 2:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2821 "2019-08-26T02:38:42Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > We don’t want a stamina system that bars play, and forces players to spend money in order to start or continue playing PVP, or even participating in weekly guild events. Given that by design, literally all guild events other than HE have an energy system, I think this is a bit misleading as while you can do some, you can’t go that far without spending gems. On another note, given we have had more spending outlets for gems with current resources sources getting nerfed. Like AB giving “gem value”. If it only replaced daily tasks, it’d be fine, but no event snotstones was a bit much. I do like most of the gameplay aspects, and the newer game modes can be fun, I just hate the trade off with more gem sinks attached to it. As a non beta tester, I’m willing to be optimistic, but I still hate this double speak as it can be quite misleading. Players put up with it, but we know what it means. I’m not blaming you for this, but its a little thing that can go a long way. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2822 "2019-08-26T02:45:47Z")
If you feel that my statement was misleading, I apologise. I was specifically referring to there being a paid barrier of entry. There are ways to spend in our weekly guild events if player’s choose to do so, but it is not necessary to participate and help their guild. We also never want to add a stamina system to PVP, Quest, Explore, Arena or Treasure Hunt. We want players to be able to play Gems of War at their leisure, without needing to purchase an amount of battles, or pay to have a timer removed so they can continue playing the game when they choose too. I believe I mentioned this earlier, but we have made sure that even when adding Deed tasks to the AB, that the AB will still have the same amount of overall gem value. However, all that being said, we are seriously off topic. Please keep all consequent conversation in line with the purpose of this thread. If you would like to discuss any of the particulars mentioned earlier further, please start a new thread with your thoughts and opinions. ---
**Author:** ![KYLENATOR001](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kylenator001/32/33983_2.png) [@KYLENATOR001](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KYLENATOR001)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2823 "2019-08-26T03:25:18Z")
Well, I’m excited to see the new faction. Is the new greed trait still called extreme greed, or will it be called avarice? ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:59am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2824 "2019-08-26T09:59:05Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > We also never want to add a stamina system to PVP, Quest, Explore, Arena or **Treasure Hunt**. There’s already a stamina system in place for Treasure Hunt, it’s called Treasure Map. Most players just seem to have more stamina than energy to use it all up. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BRchell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/brchell/32/30489_2.png) [@BRchell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/BRchell)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2825 "2019-08-26T22:03:24Z")
This has been an entertaining thread. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2826 "2019-08-27T00:44:52Z")
@Fourdottwoone, look, you’re not wrong, but you can grind treasure maps to your heart’s content without being paywalled or stopped! Okay, the City of Thieves preview is today! Please join me on stream at 6 30 PM PDT. \<3 ---
**Author:** ![GoldPhoenix0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/goldphoenix0/32/35599_2.png) [@GoldPhoenix0](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GoldPhoenix0)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 1:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2827 "2019-08-27T01:37:09Z")
Join @Saltypatra live right now on Twitch for the City of Thieves faction preview! Hide your valuables, and join in with your fellow thieves to get ahead of your other (dis)honorable compatriots. There may also be some codes left lying around, so the more who come, the more loot there is to share! https://player.twitch.tv/?channel=infinityplustwo&parent=multisite-business5.discourse.org&autoplay=false ---
**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2828 "2019-08-27T02:20:56Z")
Boss room have correct multiplier? 😜 ---
**Author:** ![RedRoseWarrior](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/redrosewarrior/32/41880_2.png) [@RedRoseWarrior](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RedRoseWarrior)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gems-of-streaming/30463/2829 "2019-08-27T02:40:16Z")
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