# Gem Dragon Community Drop Rates **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [October 9, 2022, 6:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297 "2022-10-09T18:23:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 12:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/102 "2023-01-26T00:20:12Z")
How would players feel if there were two Soulforge options: 1. Random Dragon Egg (current) – 500 Dragonite 2. Unowned Dragon Egg (Lvl 1-6), with the price increasing the more unique dragons you already have > [@So, you want to craft Diamantina?](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-you-want-to-craft-diamantina/76673/1): > > The chance of having all six coloured dragons after crafting _n_ Gem Dragon Eggs is: > > (6! \* S(n,6)) / (6^n) > > ```auto > Players Eggs used Dragonite Gems Days to complete > Very lucky players (top 1.5%) 6 6000 30000 100 > Average (median) luck 13 9500 47500 159 > Very unlucky (bottom 1.5%) 33 19500 97500 325 > > ``` This way, no one has to end up worse off than the average player, unless they want to test their luck and gamble at 500 a pop. - After all 6 have been crafted, the option then becomes either unavailable/greyed out, or lets you randomly craft one of the dragons you have the fewest copies of, again at a higher cost (not as high) - It could be implemented so that a small fee/premium is added to the total expenditure when crafting guaranteed dragons, e.g. 6500 + 10% = 7150 Dragonite, spread over the crafting levels **Fairest method to determine crafting costs** Could someone with good math skills distribute 6500 (or similar numbers) inversely proportionate to the remaining chance to craft a unique dragon at each level / Daisy’s distribution above? @Daisy ? Let me know if that doesn’t make sense… I hope the idea is understood, i.e. similar to how the example numbers I gave above balloon towards the end. * * * **N.B.** It’s worth noting that if a Guild Guardian-style ‘duplicate protection’ was introduced (please), either alternatively or additionally (please the latter), where having x4 copies of a dragon would remove it from the drop pool, this would cap the number of Dragon Eggs required to guarantee 6 unique dragons at 21, or 10,500 Dragonite. - This protection would remove the need for my fiddly suggestion above of crafting “one of the dragons you have the fewest copies of, again at a higher cost (not as high)” once all 6 have been crafted. - Everyone wants this, regardless of anything else. Just do it. The fact that this has been allowed to go on long enough for players to trend towards that “Very unlucky (bottom 1.5%)” category → i.e. have a Very Bad Player Experience is just shit. I can only imagine enough Gems are still being spent on Dragonite that they just haven’t been willing to risk doing anything that might have an impact on that 🤔. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 10:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/103 "2023-01-26T10:10:24Z")
> [@Jonathan](#): > > Unowned Dragon Egg (Lvl 1-6), with the price increasing the more unique dragons you already have Too complicated, for players and for the devs, also likely to break in weird ways when the second set of dragons gets added to the pool. Should be some fixed cost, no matter what you already own. ---
**Author:** ![STUB](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stub/32/74879_2.png) [@STUB](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/STUB)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 11:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/104 "2023-01-26T11:40:06Z")
![Screenshot_2023-01-26-11-37-22](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/e/3e8b92edeb87fd662d7967d8361dfbeeabf6f068.jpeg) Ive had an Oeuf of eggs… ---
**Author:** ![Voq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/voq/32/54089_2.png) [@Voq](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Voq)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 12:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/105 "2023-01-26T12:37:52Z")
![Screenshot_20230126_073642](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/c/cc15893a804a4713970e2a1528b9f3ba64fdfb73.jpeg) 4th Rubirath today. What a fun game this is 🙄. ---
**Author:** ![icy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/icy/32/71999_2.png) [@icy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/icy)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 1:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/106 "2023-01-28T01:03:35Z")
I don’t remember when I hatched which dragon. First four hatches was different dragons though. Last missing two dragons was Amethialas and Emeraldrin. I got at least one of each six dragons after nine eggos: x1 Amethialas | x1 Emeraldrin | x1 Garnetaerlin | x2 Rubirath | x2 Sapphirax | x2 Topasarth feels sad compared to so many people way more unlucky… ## brb, I hef2go #playlotto ---
**Author:** ![FL1701](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@FL1701](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/FL1701)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 10:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/107 "2023-01-28T10:11:10Z")
![Screenshot_20221121_131905](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/7/3715e17605965725852c9f02ef261464ca6f24b1.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 12:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/108 "2023-01-28T12:28:55Z")
You’re actually still within normal expectations and expenditure, there, at 11 Eggs – with ‘average luck’ coming out at 13 Eggs for all 6. Not saying duplicates aren’t annoying… ---
**Author:** ![FL1701](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@FL1701](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/FL1701)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/109 "2023-01-28T14:54:00Z")
Just posting for rhe statistics. Still no Hoard Mimic though lol. ---
**Author:** ![Diamond](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/diamond/32/84316_2.png) [@Diamond](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Diamond)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 5:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/110 "2023-01-28T17:54:45Z")
x2 Amethialas | x1 Emeraldrin | x1 Garnetaerlin | x2 Rubirath | ---
**Author:** ![Skorpion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@Skorpion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Skorpion)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/111 "2023-01-28T22:40:19Z")
![gow_001_28012023_233819](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/7/f/7ff08b3d0102b5ba052055a580441a810b5f4f73.jpeg) Why? ☹ No comment ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/112 "2023-01-29T00:38:03Z")
If there was a Guild Guardian duplicate protection with a cap of x4 copies of each, you would have x2 copies of your 6th dragon by now ☹ ☹ (21 Dragons being the most anyone would need under that system, you have 22) ---
**Author:** ![esslee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esslee/32/103072_2.png) [@esslee](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/esslee)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 6:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/114 "2023-01-29T06:06:46Z")
Oh, especially annoying since a guildmate just posted that she has now got ALL the dragons, and ALL of the weapons ! In response another guildie mentioned they got all the dragons for 13 eggs. Feels like victimisation ! I was also one if the suckers who chose dragons 1,2,3 daily for weeks until it was proven that it was rigged so that it was impossible to get 3 dragons that way. (now fixed) Having loyally played every day for 8+ years I truly am feeling very close to ending my run with this game due to this rng fiasco. (count is now 24 eggs hatched) ---
**Author:** ![icy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/icy/32/71999_2.png) [@icy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/icy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 7:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/115 "2023-01-29T07:10:02Z")
Even adding the restriction that you can only get to a maximum of four of each dragons max per account would partially-solve much of the current problem some players are facing, at least it would make it way more fair and actually would have some fix math behind it all. Let’s do the example of Skorpion’s pic: Wouldn’t have gotten 1x Amethialas, 3x Emeraldrin, 2x Rubirath Instead, even in the worst of all cases, would’ve filled up 2x Sapphirax, 2x Topasarth… …and would’ve gotten 2x of the remaining dragon by now. Also during all that time the %age droprate to maybe finally get the last needed dragon would’ve gotten higher and higher with each “failed” eggo, so the absolute worst case as mentioned would’ve been possible but also due to the math more and more unlikely. I’m glad I personally didn’t really care for all of this overpriced crapfest. My perfect run success rate is at around 10% since the “fix” and I only randomly exchanged some gems-\>dragonite during the days. My first four opened eggos were all “new ones”, eggo five and six and eight failed. eggo seven and nine completed my set of the luck dragons. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 11:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/116 "2023-01-29T11:50:54Z")
I think on top of reducing those worst case scenarios, it would at least remove the dread or uncertainty or despairing of, “Am I EVER going to get the last dragon???” as opposed to knowing that eventually, even if you’re not as lucky as other people, there will eventually be an end to it if you persevere. ---
**Author:** ![Stratelier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@Stratelier](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stratelier)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 11:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/118 "2023-01-29T23:48:28Z")
> [@esslee](#): > > until it was proven that it was rigged …proven where? ---
**Author:** ![Horndog\_SA](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/horndog_sa/32/89082_2.png) [@Horndog\_SA](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Horndog_SA)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 11:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/119 "2023-01-29T23:58:18Z")
In order. 1x garnetaerlin 1x rubirath 1x amethialas From there i got 3x garnetaerlin 1x emraldin 1x garnetaerlin 1x garnetaerlin 1x topasarth 1x topasarth Totals 6x garnetaerlin 2x topasarth 1x rubirath 1x emraldin 1x amethialas Suffice to say ive stopped buying dragonite, its ridiculous ---
**Author:** ![Stratelier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@Stratelier](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stratelier)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 4:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/120 "2023-01-30T04:07:19Z")
That makes you the first person I’ve seen mention they’re missing ONLY Sapphirax … most people seem to be missing Amethialas or Garnetaerlin. ---
**Author:** ![Borjay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/borjay/32/49749_2.png) [@Borjay](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Borjay)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 4:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/121 "2023-01-30T04:33:33Z")
![Screenshot_20230129-223123](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/0/a/0a9776fc8338da4c1ebccc176a987cdaebcfb1b4.jpeg) 😁 ---
**Author:** ![G0blin0verL0rd7](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/g0blin0verl0rd7/32/72891_2.png) [@G0blin0verL0rd7](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/G0blin0verL0rd7)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 5:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/122 "2023-01-30T05:32:21Z")
I’m a Sapphirax away from crafting Diamantina. I’m waiting until the option exists to craft the Dragons A La Carte… if it comes 🤔 🤔 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![esslee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esslee/32/103072_2.png) [@esslee](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/esslee)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 7:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297/123 "2023-01-30T07:00:18Z")
The community worked out that the dungeon doors were not actually random and that finding three bosses using doors 1,2,3 was impossible. The devs eventually admitted in Sept that the community was right and gave 80 dragonite as compensation. (see official post) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/8/d/8d7074abb04b0041f42819707fad40f5914dbed2.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/2/c2a773ab8f9b9073c57cd94425b37dc4281aa779.jpeg) [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297.md?page=5) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gem-dragon-community-drop-rates/77297.md?page=7)