# Freeze and extra turn loss **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/freeze-and-extra-turn-loss/32388 "2017-10-28T16:22:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 7
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/freeze-and-extra-turn-loss/32388/7 "2017-10-28T17:05:24Z")
Relevant discussion as to why Frozen blocks the color, not the troop. Tl;dr is that it’s not clear which mana goes where in cascade/convert scenarios. > [@About those wisps](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/about-those-wisps/30302/54): > > As in, only deny an Extra Turn if the Frozen troop gained mana from the specified 4-match? I think that’d muddy the mechanics up way too much. Imagine a case where an unfrozen troop sits in front of a Frozen one of the same color. Would you say that a 5-match that spills a single point of mana over into the Frozen troop would be enough to deny the ET? What if you matched a 5-match and a 3-match in that turn, does the 5-match go to the first troop and the 3-match to the second (thus ET) or vice … --- _[View the full topic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/freeze-and-extra-turn-loss/32388)._