# \[FIXED\] New faction will introduce inconsistent banner **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Reports\ **Created:** [January 7, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029 "2021-01-07T17:20:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gary\_dils](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gary_dils/32/64086_2.png) [@gary\_dils](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/gary_dils)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/1 "2021-01-07T17:20:49Z")
**DISCLAIMER Not sure if bug or intended behaviour.** **Platform, device version and operating system:** PC **Screenshot or image:** ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/0/3/032bacd42eaddf598c431c2707f62dd12837aa23.png) **What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened:** Usually banners have either `+1` to two colors, or `+2 / +1 / -1`. The new Maze Banner for tomorrow’s faction introduces a `+2 / +2 / -1` combination. Game files for kingdom Id **`3059`** say this: ```auto "BannerColors": [ 0, 2, 2, 0, -1, 0 ] ``` **How often does this happen? When did it begin happening?** Will begin tomorrow **Steps to make it happen again** use my discord bot command `!kingdom 3059`, or any other site with up-to-date kingdom info ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/2 "2021-01-07T18:52:42Z")
There’s only so many colors that the banners are gonna be able to come from. So this may be their solution to that issue. Considering their desire to monetize even getting banners. I’m inclined to believe this is working as intended. Especially since we already have. +2 Red, +1 Green and and +2 Green, +1 Red. As always, if you want dev confirmation though I don’t blame you. ---
**Author:** ![mitamata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mitamata/32/10313_2.png) [@mitamata](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mitamata)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 7:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/3 "2021-01-07T19:08:26Z")
My guess would be it’s unintentional. We have other banners that are almost the same too: we have +2 Red, +1 Green, -1 Blue AND +2 Red, +1 Green, -1 Brown. +2 Red, +1 Green, -1 Purple would fit right in. If it was +2 Red, +2 Green, -2 Purple, that would make more sense. ---
**Author:** ![SevenSidedBox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@SevenSidedBox](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/SevenSidedBox)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/4 "2021-01-07T19:13:22Z")
If they want more banner variety but also keep it balanced, they could also do banners with ++ bonus for two colors but also have a - penalty for 2 other colors. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/5 "2021-01-07T20:04:30Z")
I bet on a typo here. Ignorance rather than bad decision - this time anyway. If only because a net +3 banner is unprecedented and _real_ dumb … ---
**Author:** ![brc\_ro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@brc\_ro](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/brc_ro)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/6 "2021-01-08T14:28:08Z")
doesn’t look like a typo, now that we have the live banner. It is indeed +2 green, +2 red. And it works as intended, as well - at least for the +2 green/red part. ---
**Author:** ![Starlite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/starlite/32/43018_2.png) [@Starlite](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Starlite)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/7 "2021-01-08T15:26:14Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > There’s only so many colors that the banners are gonna be able to come from. So this may be their solution to that issue. Good guess, but no. At least, not quite. There are 120 possible ++/+/- banners. So they’re not even close to running out of banners. This deviation from the pattern suggests that they want to _avoid_ releasing certain banners. I will update my tables to reflect the new banners within the month, but for now, here’s what it looks up to Illithia (also, scroll up for a different view): [Gems of War Quick Reference Tables](http://paulius.50webs.com/gow-tables.html#bannergrid123) ---
**Author:** ![ElDuderino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dc4da7/32.png) [@ElDuderino](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ElDuderino)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/8 "2021-01-18T15:59:05Z")
Still no dev reaction? Looks like a clear oversight and somewhat imbalances the whole game, including guild wars. Very weird. ---
**Author:** ![gary\_dils](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gary_dils/32/64086_2.png) [@gary\_dils](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/gary_dils)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/9 "2021-01-18T16:09:57Z")
> [@ElDuderino](#): > > Still no dev reaction? Looks like a clear oversight and somewhat imbalances the whole game, including guild wars. Very weird. That’s a normal delay for a bug report. For some I waited several months to get some feedback. Just be patient, I am confident they will confirm whether this is a bug or not in a few weeks. Or maybe we could think of it like this: I reported this _before_ it went live. So even assuming it was not intended, changing it now would take away something from the players. Meaning by not having a response, we can now treat it as intentional, even if it was a bug. ---
**Author:** ![Julli-of-North](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/julli-of-north/32/91083_2.png) [@Julli-of-North](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Julli-of-North)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/10 "2021-01-18T16:36:13Z")
@Saltypatra Answered this in a stream. The banner is not a bug. Working as intented. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/11 "2021-01-18T17:09:23Z")
Intended to be _crazy_ …? ---
**Author:** ![Nemesis\_Online](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nemesis_online/32/56361_2.png) [@Nemesis\_Online](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nemesis_Online)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/12 "2021-01-18T18:16:08Z")
> [@Shimrra](#): > > Intended to be _crazy_ …? It states +2/+2/-1, right? Is it providing different amounts of mana? No. Therefore working as intended. /s ---
**Author:** ![gary\_dils](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gary_dils/32/64086_2.png) [@gary\_dils](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/gary_dils)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 8:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/13 "2021-01-19T08:10:07Z")
> [@Julli-of-North](#): > > Saltypatra Answered this in a stream. The banner is not a bug. Working as intented. Good to know. Can you link the stream, so I can mark this thread as `[NOT A BUG]`? ---
**Author:** ![Julli-of-North](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/julli-of-north/32/91083_2.png) [@Julli-of-North](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Julli-of-North)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 9:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/14 "2021-01-19T09:19:50Z")
> [@gary\_dils](#): > > > [@Julli-of-North](#): > > > > Saltypatra Answered this in a stream. The banner is not a bug. Working as intented. > > Good to know. Can you link the stream, so I can mark this thread as `[NOT A BUG]` ? [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/870428166](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/870428166) Around the 7 minute mark ---
**Author:** ![gary\_dils](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gary_dils/32/64086_2.png) [@gary\_dils](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/gary_dils)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 9:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/15 "2021-01-19T09:40:44Z")
> [@Julli-of-North](#): > > [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/870428166](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/870428166) > Around the 7 minute mark Thanks. Nothing more to discuss here. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 10:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/16 "2021-01-19T10:10:09Z")
> [@gary\_dils](#): > > Good to know. Can you link the stream, so I can mark this thread as `[NOT A BUG]` ? Word of advice, let this get handled by whoever is responsible for processing bug reports. It’s very apparent that the banner isn’t supposed to work this way to anyone who ever did a bit of game design, someone just hit a wrong key when entering the numbers. This hasn’t reached the devs yet, marking it as [NOT A BUG] yourself will just cause it to fall through the cracks, requiring another bug report to get fixed. ---
**Author:** ![Snooj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/snooj/32/65852_2.png) [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/17 "2021-01-20T06:08:31Z")
Although I agree the banner **obviously** shouldn’t work this way, the devs have already confirmed this is intended. I still bet though this was done in error and they’re just leaving it. 🤷‍♀️ If you jump to the 8:00 mark, I asked about changing the visuals so that the banner doesn’t look like a +2/+1/-1 banner. Salty passed the info on. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 12:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/18 "2021-01-20T12:13:57Z")
> [@Snooj](#): > > Although I agree the banner **obviously** shouldn’t work this way, the devs have already confirmed this is intended. > > I still bet though this was done in error and they’re just leaving it. 🤷‍♀️ > > If you jump to the 8:00 mark, I asked about changing the visuals so that the banner doesn’t look like a +2/+1/-1 banner. Salty passed the info on. The devs confirming this to be intended is done through the bug report process. Any information Salty shares in streams is for entertainment purposes and subject to change. Not meaning to sound mean, I got the impression that Salty didn’t even fully understand your request. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2021, 6:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/19 "2021-04-06T06:33:17Z")
More and more, this banner is looking like it was originally a bug that they decided to make a “feature”. But I for one am a big fan of this banner and any actual “dynamics” in the game that aren’t done purely for gimmicky sense. So please, more banners like the Labyrinth one… Just make sure they are intended next time. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![NerdieBirdie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nerdiebirdie/32/103793_2.png) [@NerdieBirdie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NerdieBirdie)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2021, 11:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029/20 "2021-04-06T11:43:46Z")
Yeah, similar to Lycanthropy’s transform not holding valraven sigils - “oh, yeah, of course we intended that.” [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/fixed-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029.md?page=2)