# Faction Hoard Bonus +25% not showing?

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**Created:** [September 11, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/faction-hoard-bonus-25-not-showing/57832 "2019-09-11T16:08:41Z")\
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**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 7:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/faction-hoard-bonus-25-not-showing/57832/27 "2019-09-12T07:16:06Z")

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From the data gathered on last post here

> [@Hoard Optimization](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/hoard-optimization/47479/22):
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> I think TIO, maybe someone else too, has been posting Treasures pulled from the past couple of Faction releases in the relevant threads, as well.

If you add all those shards spent up you get 38,500 (slightly less than 3 x 13k)  
If you add up all the treasures you get pretty much exactly enough to take 3 hoards to 200. (59,655xp to be exact)

Pretty sure the advertised drop rate doesn’t reflect at all what we usually get.

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