# Epic vault key reward? Epic my ass! **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [August 15, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495 "2021-08-15T16:59:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tibo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@Tibo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tibo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/1 "2021-08-15T16:59:19Z")
WTF is this? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/b/a/babffd6c152ad3c1091dfdb6e6d12476ced4b6bb.jpeg) Really from a epic vault keys???!!! ---
**Author:** ![Potemkinz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/potemkinz/32/74067_2.png) [@Potemkinz](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Potemkinz)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/2 "2021-08-15T17:01:26Z")
if all of them are gold, then it’d be much more epic, lol ---
**Author:** ![Live](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/live/32/40596_2.png) [@Live](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Live)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/3 "2021-08-15T17:11:24Z")
The simple multi is a joke, at least four cedrics with rarer things should be minimum. I used one for the psn trophy, dont know if i will ever use the other ones 🤷 ---
**Author:** ![Shifty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shifty/32/69144_2.png) [@Shifty](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shifty)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 9:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/4 "2021-08-15T21:56:20Z")
The issue with the vault in my opinion is that troops are in Cedric’s loot table. The more troops they add to the vault the worse the rewards will be overall. It would make a lot more sense if when you encounter and defeat a troop in the vault, there would be a % chance for them to “join” you. So Sparklesack will always have valuables in that little bag of his, then you’d roll a chance at one of the defeated troops to add to your collection. It doesn’t really make sense anyway. You’re telling me Cedric is running around the vault with his buddies tied up in that bag? ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 10:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/5 "2021-08-16T10:44:15Z")
> [@Shifty](#): > > It would make a lot more sense if when you encounter and defeat a troop in the vault, there would be a % chance for them to “join” you. Vault battles are fixed, standard vault is 3x Treasure Gnome + 1x Cedric, epic vault is 2x Treasure Gnome, 1x Daemon Gnome, 1x Cedric. Makes it kind of difficult to defeat the other ones. A better approach might be to add a random gnome on top of the the regular vault rewards. It’s not like have much gameplay value. ---
**Author:** ![Tibo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@Tibo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tibo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/6 "2021-11-06T16:36:54Z")
Another epic loot! ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/8/480287cb176ec48c291fa50cc8e9336e50537878.jpeg) Please stop giving me Cedric! ---
**Author:** ![ChrisRob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@ChrisRob](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ChrisRob)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2021, 9:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/7 "2021-11-06T21:34:04Z")
1 out of 2 epic vault key is useless, giving you 4x cedric or other useless troops. I pity those who are paying to get more epic VK. ---
**Author:** ![LADYofCAO](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ladyofcao/32/66737_2.png) [@LADYofCAO](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LADYofCAO)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2021, 1:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/8 "2021-11-07T01:00:05Z")
Agree ; effort for reward or input or grind; is increasingly unbalanced in this game ---
**Author:** ![StormriderX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@StormriderX](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/StormriderX)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/9 "2021-11-08T15:24:45Z")
My biggest issue with EK is the presence of Daemon gnome, which means I am locked into have Chaos Shards - a resource that I don’t want or need. There isn’t a chance to roll anything else, only a higher or lower number of useless shards for that slot. ---
**Author:** ![Nullings](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nullings/32/39207_2.png) [@Nullings](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nullings)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 4:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/10 "2021-12-16T04:57:25Z")
@Jeto @Kafka are there plans to improve Epic Vault key rewards? Now they are close to pathetic. For such rare keys rewards can be definitely better. ---
**Author:** ![kamosloki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/cdc98d/32.png) [@kamosloki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kamosloki)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 6:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/11 "2021-12-16T06:43:46Z")
This x1000 - EVKs are pretty rubbish at the moment. The idea of replacing the daemon gnomes with cursed gnomes is a great one ---
**Author:** ![Tibo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@Tibo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tibo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/12 "2021-12-17T19:14:13Z")
The latest “epic” reward ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/1/0/1072d36b93e827b68dc80ff4e344ea976164fb0a.jpeg) Major improvement is needed!!! ---
**Author:** ![Magnusimus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/magnusimus/32/50652_2.png) [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/13 "2021-12-17T19:24:12Z")
Instead of 2 Minor traitstones, 2 Cursed Runes. Then those who care about chaos shards can still get them, and one of the things _no one_ wants (or should, at the very least) is replaced by something most people will care about. And if they don’t, well — _guaranteed_ they _also_ don’t need those minor traitstones 🤷‍♂️ (Also, at 2 an occurrence, this would hardly break the Curse Rune economy. It would still take 5 occurrences to equal a single Cursed Gnome) ---
**Author:** ![Rastafar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rastafar/32/95924_2.png) [@Rastafar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rastafar)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 4:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/14 "2022-11-24T04:49:43Z")
What is worse, is that the Menu button to enter the Epic vault, shows a jewel gnome. Why? There is none in the vault. There should be three random gnomes from all the types along with Super Cedric. The current build is so pointless. ---
**Author:** ![Tibo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@Tibo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tibo)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 5:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-vault-key-reward-epic-my-ass/71495/15 "2022-12-26T05:18:05Z")
Is this supposed to be possible? ![Screenshot_20221214-083621](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/1/31b180ad7d2747bfbf8cfbc639d99b0a4959c616.jpeg) We need more Cedric! /s