# Epic ingots too hard to get?
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)
**Created:** [September 12, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811 "2018-09-12T21:33:41Z")
**Posts on this page:** 19
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### Author:  [@Nullings](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nullings)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/1 "2018-09-12T21:33:41Z")
Seems that they are. Common, Rare and Ultra-Rare ingots come in PvP battles fairly often, Epics - seldom. While Legendaries and Mythics can be obtained through delves. And remember that 1 Epic Ingot = 1000 Common ingots. How should I farm these Epics? Through 800-900 ranked PvP fights?
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### Author:  [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/2 "2018-09-12T21:42:27Z")
I share the same feeling.
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### Author:  [@XLS78](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/XLS78)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/3 "2018-09-12T21:43:44Z")
I wish we could also use the Soulforge to downgrade ingots. 1 higher rarity for 5 of the next lower, or some similar exchange ratio.
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### Author:  [@RedRoseWarrior](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RedRoseWarrior)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/4 "2018-09-12T21:45:27Z")
delves gives tons of legendary and mythic ingots
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### Author:  [@JayJay](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JayJay)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/5 "2018-09-12T21:58:41Z")
That’s why offered $25 epic ingots pack. I think it not a bad deal for tons of ingots.
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### Author:  [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2018, 10:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/6 "2018-09-12T22:14:08Z")
I think they’re kind of falling by the wayside because AFAIK they aren’t important for kindgom power.
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### Author:  [@The\_Freak](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/The_Freak)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/7 "2018-09-12T22:47:03Z")
I disagree and the drop rates seem fair to me. After traiting every common, rare and ultra-rare weapon, then forging the leftovers to epic, here is what I have:
Note I have not upgraded any Epic weapons nor did I forge any Legendaries or Mythic ingots.
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### Author:  [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/8 "2018-09-13T00:29:54Z")
And mine look like this after upgrading only a single epic weapon, and only commons or rares otherwise.
Thats 3 + 5.5 + 29.5 more epic ingots for forging up every single other one (which I’m not even done with yet), 36 that I spent, bringing my grand total to 136 Epic Ingots or equivalent found, ever, compared to 223 Legendary, a disparity which will widen immensely over time due to delve loot.
But _also_ consider you only need about 1600 epic ingots _total_ to finish upgrading all epic weapons with not too many more likely to be added while you need over 4400 legendary ingots with 2 weapons coming in at this rarity every 3 weeks, another per faction so another one per month, each of them taking 45 ingots. PvP drops and chest drops _heavily_ favor lower rarity stuff that you are more likely to be “done” with. Fully upgrading every epic weapon may be a bigger bottleneck long term now, but all those common through ultra-rare ingots should to go _somewhere_, and the path from common through ultra-rare to epic is _ten times_ less ludicrous than the path from common through ultra-rare to epic.
On this, I think everything would balance out nicely if they just upped the minimum rarity of the random ingots you can get from Renown from common to Rare, or maybe even Ultra-Rare or so so that everything is nice and rounded. Or, you know, leave the imbalance where it is so they can sell Weapon Upgrade packs.
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### Author:  [@TimeKnight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TimeKnight)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/9 "2018-09-13T01:38:33Z")
The main income of Epic ingots are from gem keys. New players would gain them in reasonable rate by opening them more often aiming for new troops, but for End-gamers, we would only open them in Exclusive Mythic week, so our income of them is very compact.
For usual way of farming in PvP/Arena, I agree it’s hard to farm. I used to do that to upgrade all weapons from kingdoms under 7 stars, and it would take an hour to get one of them by forging. Natural drop could take a few hours.
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### Author:  [@AlphaNate](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AlphaNate)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/10 "2018-09-13T03:35:54Z")
Scale back delve rewards. Change legendary ingot drops to epics, and change mythic drops to legendary.
I literally don’t need this many mythic ingots in the current state of weapons.
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### Author:  [@RedRoseWarrior](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RedRoseWarrior)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/11 "2019-04-05T22:53:46Z")
Yes lately I agree Epic ingots are hard to get I’d say if you have db to use that in arena to farm epic ingots
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### Author:  [@Voq](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Voq)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2019, 5:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/12 "2019-05-05T05:12:36Z")
As a new player who started a month ago, my number of Ingots looks like Mithran’s. I have 2x as many Mythic as Epic, and 3x as many Legendary Ingots (6x+ times if you count the ones I spent). I haven’t spent a single Epic Ingot yet either.
I’ve used and bought gem keys quite freely as I’ve been hunting for _any_ mythic, but there’s still a huge imbalance in the number of Ingots I have. I haven’t even earned enough to fully upgrade 2 Epic weapons if I needed to.
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### Author:  [@Alkali](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Alkali)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2019, 11:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/13 "2019-05-10T11:23:46Z")
Hm, that all for the kingdom power quest of upgraded x kingdom weapons or what’s interesting about epic weapons?
Whatever, I’m for downgrading in general, even troops.
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### Author:  [@shadyady360](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/shadyady360)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/14 "2019-05-10T11:40:07Z")
Yep me too, I have a severe lack of Epic ingots, but have upgraded every common, rare, ultra rare and mythic weapons, and nearly all legendary weapons.
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### Author:  [@Thevc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Thevc)
#### Post date: [May 15, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/15 "2019-05-15T21:34:41Z")
Delve factions are excellent for ingots, gold etc but many weapons aren’t worth upgrading other than to boost kingdom power. While I would like more opportunities to gain epics, in reality I seldom use any epic weapon. Most weapons and troops in the game are cosmetic dust collectors. So I don’t really mind grinding PvP etc to forge epics. Exercise a little patience and don’t expect everything to be handed to you on a plate.
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### Author:  [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 7:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/16 "2019-05-16T07:23:57Z")
I’d like to add that delves already do give epic ingots, _sort of_.
Because increasing faction renown can yield _a lot_ of free ingots every day just for logging in. The utility of this is pretty apparent when you get to the point where souls are a dead currency: why not upgrade the free ingots daily, along with any earned through PVP? It’s not even a resource drain at that point, because you don’t care about any of the currencies involved in the process—both cruder ingots and souls are useless to you.
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### Author:  [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 7:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/17 "2019-05-16T07:36:06Z")
You know the other best place to get epic ingots? MY STREAM. 😛
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### Author:  [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 7:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/18 "2019-05-16T07:37:28Z")
For Xbox users? XD
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### Author:  [@Thevc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Thevc)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/epic-ingots-too-hard-to-get/45811/19 "2019-05-16T15:35:38Z")
There’s not much point in upgrading ingots on a daily basis because its a stark reminder of just how slow it is. I prefer to leave it a few weeks then upgrade, purely because there is the potential to have made worthwhile progress which you can see.