# Emperor Khorvash - Yes....its one of these **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [January 18, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512 "2017-01-18T14:40:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Salibu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/salibu/32/23083_2.png) [@Salibu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Salibu)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/1 "2017-01-18T14:40:12Z")
Honestly, why are the devs continuing to ignore this? This card single handidly, if fully traited and leveled, can dismantle literally any team you throw at him if the AI gets 1 or 2 - 4 gem combos. How can a card exist in a game intended to have some balance that literally: Tanks better than everyone (minus 1 card) Is encouraged with better stats to put in front row. Does True Damage Has low Mana Cost Has the most popular mana color that syncs with the most popular cards Stuns everyone on the other team the whole battle. Everyone keeps saying he can be countered…lol…every card can be countered if you get lucky cascades. As it stands now, its insanity. Change True Damage to Reg. Damage…lower stats…raise mana cost… For the love of Pete…something… But acting like hes not OP for a non Mythic even is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/2 "2017-01-18T15:24:01Z")
Hey I hear ya, but relax. 👍 > [@Bone Dragon, one question](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/bone-dragon-one-question/18509): > > @Nimhain / @Sirrian I’m done complaining about it. It isnt just me, it’s dozens of people and hundreds of posts. My question is this: Are there any plans to change Bone Dragon? Thanks in advance. If they’re addressing Bone Dragon, I gotta think Khorvash is on their radar. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/3 "2017-01-18T15:30:43Z")
im with you, i actually hate EK more then BD ---
**Author:** ![ColonielZoland88](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/colonielzoland88/32/19387_2.png) [@ColonielZoland88](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ColonielZoland88)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/4 "2017-01-18T15:45:18Z")
The only change I wanna see with Khorvash is rasing the mana cost from 14 to 18, everything else is fine where it is. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/5 "2017-01-18T16:54:01Z")
No way. Just, no. No way. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/6 "2017-01-18T16:55:19Z")
Actually this week I look forward to EK teams. Minogor just shreds him. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/7 "2017-01-18T16:56:08Z")
it is probably coz i play sylvanimora a lot and im still in mid-game -ish team score-wise i can kill EK as well as BD but the time either of them casts i hate ek effect more ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/8 "2017-01-18T16:56:36Z")
I use Minogor AND Sylvanimora. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/9 "2017-01-18T16:57:04Z")
so i do 🙂 lol might u be also using DS and venbarak there? XD ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/10 "2017-01-18T18:40:46Z")
Use Amira. One shot kill every time. I mean, her whole story is that she is a deadly assassin sent to kill Emperor Khorvash. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/11 "2017-01-18T18:50:37Z")
Amira has virtually no use in an end-game team, though. She’s essentially there SOLELY to counter Khorvash. We want troops to have utility but not that specific. ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/12 "2017-01-18T18:56:11Z")
Amira can obliterate any troop that uses blue mana, which makes her effective against EK, Mab, Behemoth and a host of others. Although I see your point, she’s not just an EK killer. ---
**Author:** ![Kurokazna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kurokazna/32/11246_2.png) [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/13 "2017-01-18T19:00:00Z")
> [@Annaerith](#): > > im with you, i actually hate EK more then BD So do I, but honestly Bone Dragon is more of a problem at the moment. However, see htismage for my thoughts on this.[quote=“htismaqe, post:2, topic:18512”] If they’re addressing Bone Dragon, I gotta think Khorvash is on their radar. [/quote] For my suggestion on Khorvash, you can see that here > [@Bone Dragon, one question](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/bone-dragon-one-question/18509/34): > > For EK, giving him two extra magic and changing true damage to regular works. He’d STILL be incredibly strong, but he’d fit well in the 14-16 mana range as opposed to the like 18-20 mana worth of value you can get out of a cast now. Khorvash is strong. Yes. I have been saying “NERF KHORVASH” for ages. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Hell, I still have more trouble against a Khorv than a BD, but that’s for team composition reasons. However, I wish to address something specific you said. > [@Salibu](#): > > Everyone keeps saying he can be countered…lol…every card can be countered if you get lucky cascades. Counters that don’t involve cascades: Manticore Spirit fox Khorvash, himself Wraith, Lion Prince, Moa, Wandering Monk, or Rock Troll with skull spam Impervious tanks For about a week, I would have said Golem, but that was ages ago. Non-troop-based strategies: Deny his mana colors Put your caster in slot three Use cheaper mana generation Choose your banner more carefully ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/14 "2017-01-18T19:01:32Z")
Who’s using blue mana? I see the following troops 90% or more of the time: Maw Bone Dragon Courage Orion Manticore Kerberos Gorgotha Infernal King Khorvash Outside of Khorvash, there’s zero blue there, thus Amira is largely useless. I’m not even seeing the Justice teams anymore. It’s pretty much Courage and Bone Dragon again. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/15 "2017-01-18T19:04:23Z")
Mab should be on that list. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/16 "2017-01-18T19:05:30Z")
I honestly don’t see her that much, at least I haven’t recently. I saw her and Justice paired up a lot there for a while but it’s been a couple weeks since they were frequently in the rotation. ---
**Author:** ![Kurokazna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kurokazna/32/11246_2.png) [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/17 "2017-01-18T19:07:21Z")
> [@htismaqe](#): > > I’m not even seeing the Justice teams anymore That’s because it SUCKS on defense. [quote=“htismaqe, post:14, topic:18512”] Amira is largely useless [/quote] Some people build specific teams to counter things that they have trouble with. This is one of those cases. Also to add to my list of counters Archer hero Valk Justice Mab Congrats, you just won turn one and don’t need to counter him because you’re beyond the point of needing to worry about opposing teams! Yay, cynicism! The team isn’t a defense team and anyone who uses it as such deserves the fate of a million Bone Dragons. It’s an invading team, and it’s stupidly broken. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/18 "2017-01-18T19:07:42Z")
I do. I’m using one troop in defence so maybe that moves me to a different tier. Mab/valk/justice teams still quite common. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/19 "2017-01-18T19:09:38Z")
I build to fight specific teams too. And the vast majority of my matches contain zero blue troops so Amira is useless. I imagine she’d be really killer in the mid-game. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512/20 "2017-01-18T19:11:03Z")
> [@Kurokazna](#): > > Manticore > Spirit fox > Khorvash, himself > Wraith, Lion Prince, Moa, Wandering Monk, or Rock Troll with skull spam > Impervious tanks what u just said: mana drain it stun it - that doesnt counter his spell which is main problem death mark it skull spam it - seriously? > [@Kurokazna](#): > > Deny his mana colors > Put your caster in slot three > Use cheaper mana generation > Choose your banner more carefully added up with the below there is none counter on any unit dedicated for his spell mechanic. every single of the ones you listed work for nearly every troop, so like its saying “win the game to win the game” oh ya… the only true (defensive) counter will be when there is unit that can be resistant or immune to mana draining (or true damage) AND gets stunned away from that resistance at least not before EKs damage is calculated (preferably doesnt get stunned from it by EK at all, but that might be problematic) the offensive counter would be something like amira but i hope you agree that offensive counters are not really a cool way to deal with it. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-yes-its-one-of-these/18512.md?page=2)