# Easy fix while keeping it the same for PvP **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [June 17, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509 "2016-06-17T14:26:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@illusion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/illusion)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/41 "2016-06-17T16:08:21Z")
Right, I replied to that guy who said she has a higher win rate then me by winning more matches ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/42 "2016-06-17T16:09:15Z")
> [@illusion](#): > > Me (win rate invade 93.8% / win rate defense 35.8%) > > Sister (win rate invade 85.2% / win rate defense 19.1%) These are useless, since she’s obviously optimizing for speed. It’s really easy to keep a 100% invade win rate if you’re not in a hurry. There will be hundreds of players like that, and with the same max number of games, there’s not much room for deviation in points, besides the random factor. ---
**Author:** ![illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@illusion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/illusion)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/43 "2016-06-17T16:09:16Z")
I was replying to yonizaf’s comment saying I must be loosing more matches then top rank ---
**Author:** ![Koolbiird](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/koolbiird/32/5099_2.png) [@Koolbiird](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Koolbiird)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/44 "2016-06-17T16:09:27Z")
Ah. Ok. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/45 "2016-06-17T16:10:21Z")
> [@illusion](#): > > I was replying to yonizaf’s comment saying I must be loosing more matches then top rank I never said you were losing more, I said you were playing slower. By the time it took you to play one match, she played six. ---
**Author:** ![illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@illusion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/illusion)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/46 "2016-06-17T16:12:19Z")
> [@yonizaf](#): > > This proves there’s more to the current ranks than playtime. The top ranks have to win 3-6 matches by the time you win one, which means they are actually better players than you. Better skill (and better teams) DOES mean better rank in this case. Problem? I don’t see one. This is what you wrote ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/47 "2016-06-17T16:14:42Z")
> [@yonizaf](#): > > I never said you were losing more, I said you were playing slower. By the time it took you to play one match, she played six. Just read it again. It was pretty clear, I’m not really sure what there’s not to understand. ---
**Author:** ![illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@illusion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/illusion)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/48 "2016-06-17T16:15:44Z")
You are proving the point that she is playing way more then me… that is NOT skill it’s a recipe for serious health issues ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/49 "2016-06-17T16:16:34Z")
Those who are higher levels with more resources seem to reach this point where it might be ,and correct me if i am wrong, possible to get game speeds that are between 30 to 90 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/50 "2016-06-17T16:16:59Z")
She’s playing more **matches** , not more time. There’s a huge difference. I don’t see how playing faster matches will give her any health problems. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/51 "2016-06-17T16:22:33Z")
Better players finish games faster, though this is not necessarily a fact as it is opinion but it seems to me that those with higher levels and more resources claim games as short as 1 minute. ---
**Author:** ![illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@illusion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/illusion)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/52 "2016-06-17T16:22:46Z")
There is no way of knowing that you are assuming that… I can get quick matches too, from the leaderboard it just looks like shes playing way more then me… I am in the forum which means I’m not invading… ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/53 "2016-06-17T16:24:06Z")
As I proved from your own words, she would have to play much faster than you, or play way more than 24 hours a day - which is technically not possible. ---
**Author:** ![illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@illusion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/illusion)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/54 "2016-06-17T16:25:03Z")
That post did not prove anything… my screenshots proved to you that I have a better win rate then sister though. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/55 "2016-06-17T16:30:03Z")
If you are going to compare win rates, the metric is useless unless you are comparing against the same amount of games played. ---
**Author:** ![mkshandley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mkshandley/32/3549_2.png) [@mkshandley](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mkshandley)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/56 "2016-06-17T22:47:49Z")
energy systems are horrible I understand part of your point @illusion that it is all about time/speed and amount of matches done and not so much about win ratio’s. but please NO to energy system. I think lots of people might wish skill had a little more influence in ranking though and not just burn thru 1000’s of matches at horrible loss ratio’s. energy system - NEVER edit- maybe is some other solution but that idea is the worst ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/57 "2016-06-17T23:17:47Z")
If we look at the data for sister without accounting for defence win/loss or failed attacks she is getting about 35 points per game. However this number is an inaccurate amount because it looks wholly on her total points and her successful attacks. If we were to account for her failed attacks as well then her average would be 29 points a game. Considering again the inaccuracy of the stats and focusing wholly on invade success and failure again it seems possible to pull off as there does not seem to be any funny business with sister unless you want to find out how many hours she is playing a day this week. If the length of every game she played is 1 minute a game then 22.9 hours of game play. She is a level 1000 so of course we are assuming that she is playing a meta team with lvl1k stats. if her games were 4 minutes each then 91.6 hours. So somewhere in between four minutes a game and 1 minute she is able to play that many games. She is barely playing 5 hours a day under my calculations. Now i can only play/stream 3 and i am 1/5th the level and have no kingdoms level 10 and i know my games are under 4 minutes. You can time them in my stream for if they are under 4 minutes each. ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/58 "2016-06-18T01:01:07Z")
I have read most of this thread… But I felt I must add my voice. This is a very bad idea, I understand the frustration of the OP, but this an energy system anyway you slice it and one of MY primary reasons for loving GoW is that whenever I want (read CAN) to play I can open my app and play, period. I hope he devs never notice this thread, or if they do please listen to all the voices saying NO. This would be bad for GoW… I’ve said my peace… ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/59 "2016-06-18T01:03:22Z")
> [@efh313](#): > > I hope he devs never notice this thread, or if they do please listen to all the voices saying NO. > > This would be bad for GoW… > > I’ve said my peace… The devs have a firm standing on energy systems. This will probably not even sway their standing. ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509/60 "2016-06-18T01:16:24Z")
@killerman3333 Just to clarify the devs stance is that they DO NOT like energy systems, right? [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/easy-fix-while-keeping-it-the-same-for-pvp/8509.md?page=4)