# Dupe Pharos-Ras - convince me, either yea or nay! **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [December 21, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dupe-pharos-ras-convince-me-either-yea-or-nay/34240 "2017-12-21T18:09:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Amadan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amadan/32/7653_2.png) [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dupe-pharos-ras-convince-me-either-yea-or-nay/34240/1 "2017-12-21T18:09:31Z")
So for context, my current soul farming team is TDS, Pharos-Ra, Pharos-Ra, Aziris. I still need craptons of souls - I have most all units at Mythic but not all at level 20, and I don’t have either Dawnbringer or Xathenos so I still need to save up for all that nonsense. I also don’t yet have Abynissia, Death, Plague, or Wulfgarok, so crafting them in the future would be nice too. Given that: is it worth it to craft a _third_ Pharos-Ra? Would that be a net long-term gain, or would the opportunity cost of crafting a third one outweigh the benefits? I need opinions! Convince me either way! ---
**Author:** ![Esoxnepa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esoxnepa/32/1837_2.png) [@Esoxnepa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Esoxnepa)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dupe-pharos-ras-convince-me-either-yea-or-nay/34240/2 "2017-12-21T18:20:38Z")
Not worth a third. I’m at 1 Pharos and I’m debating a second, but I’m at a million souls to craft Dawnbringer, but don’t know if I’d play it. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dupe-pharos-ras-convince-me-either-yea-or-nay/34240/3 "2017-12-21T18:35:27Z")
Your soul shortage is most likely a blip. They moved the soul wall a good ways back by introducing the soul forge, but if you play regularly, you’re going to catch up again, especially if you’re farming with two Pharos-Ra’s. If you ever want a complete collection, sacrificing 4000 diamonds for a 3rd copy of one you already have is probably not a step in the right direction. Even if you bat 1.000 on new mythic releases, it will still take you 6-8 months to farm enough diamonds to catch up on the ones you’re missing. For context, I hit the old soul wall about 5 months ago (just before the forge was introduced) and even without ever deliberately farming souls, I’m already over 600,000. I’m a steady, but not heavy player. I’d say nay. ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dupe-pharos-ras-convince-me-either-yea-or-nay/34240/4 "2017-12-21T18:55:47Z")
But is the jump from 1 to 2 worth it? I crafted my first this morning and want to know if I should get a second. ---
**Author:** ![Rylo\_Ken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rylo_ken/32/34532_2.png) [@Rylo\_Ken](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rylo_Ken)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dupe-pharos-ras-convince-me-either-yea-or-nay/34240/5 "2017-12-21T18:59:00Z")
That’s a waste of diamonds if you ask me. 1 Pharos Ra is good enough. ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dupe-pharos-ras-convince-me-either-yea-or-nay/34240/6 "2017-12-21T19:01:31Z")
Thanks for the advice @Rylo_Ken… or should I say: Sen Bolo… 🤨 😜 ---
**Author:** ![NowayJoe2Go](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nowayjoe2go/32/14045_2.png) [@NowayJoe2Go](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NowayJoe2Go)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 6:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dupe-pharos-ras-convince-me-either-yea-or-nay/34240/7 "2017-12-22T06:15:32Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/c/3cd1a12c1bfd19f0f66200d95f1717d5ac78f0d6.jpg) 3 Trophy PVP. Easy farming for the next Mythic weapon that will require 1 Million souls like Dawnbringer. ---
**Author:** ![Draprion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/draprion/32/8238_2.png) [@Draprion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Draprion)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dupe-pharos-ras-convince-me-either-yea-or-nay/34240/8 "2017-12-22T10:09:11Z")
I think you would come to regret crafting a third if you have other mythics you’re missing. So I wouldn’t if I were in your shoes. ---
**Author:** ![jeno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jeno/32/20235_2.png) [@jeno](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/jeno)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dupe-pharos-ras-convince-me-either-yea-or-nay/34240/9 "2017-12-22T12:49:38Z")
one is good for pvp. two is great for explore/challenge. three is just for fun. slow but fun looking at the souls gain. if you like dragon soul + 3 necro. something to play at lower difficulty and still get good amount of souls. is it worth it? maybe not. but i craft a third anyway. you however may want to save for other mythic. ---
**Author:** ![Nephilim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nephilim/32/29092_2.png) [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 12:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dupe-pharos-ras-convince-me-either-yea-or-nay/34240/10 "2017-12-22T12:59:25Z")
I’ve got two. I use valkrie and the pair of ra’s and an acoylte. Get over 700 on warlord 4 and its reasonably quick. I prefer the valk to Tds because of the board control and extra initial soul injection going towards extra damage. I certainly wouldn’t bother with more than two and even if I hadn’t pulled another one recently I’m not sure I’d have crafted one whilst other mythic troops are missing from my collection.