# Do anyone know the cost of Emperinas 2nd and 3rd trait? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [January 10, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757 "2016-01-10T16:32:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/1 "2016-01-10T16:32:02Z")
As the topic says. Thanks for any reply! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CSZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/csz/32/4784_2.png) [@CSZ](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CSZ)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/2 "2016-01-10T16:34:01Z")
2nd Trait costs 22 Minors, 8 Majors and 8 Arcanes. Don’t know the costs of the 3rd Trait yet. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/3 "2016-01-10T16:47:26Z")
> [@Guide to Traits - 1.0.8](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guide-to-traits-1-0-8/2012/3): > > **Epic Traits** > > 1. 16 Minor, 8+8 Runic > 2. 22 Minor, 8 Major, 8 Arcane > 3. 28 Minor, 4 Arcane, 1 Celestial You’d need Arcane Lava Traitstones (Red/Brown) for Emperina. FAIRLY sure its 4 for the last one, not 6… ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/4 "2016-01-10T16:48:27Z")
Thanks for the input, looks like a lifetime to get those lava stones? ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/5 "2016-01-10T16:50:58Z")
Basically. Although if the next Grosh’Nak event reverts to the initial format of the 400 Glory bundle things containing Arcanes that match the kingdom, that would be an easy (albeit expensive) way to get them. I don’t know when Grosh’Nak will get an event next though, and it may be Arcanes that match the troop instead of the kingdom (as the last one gave us Blue/Yellow for Zephyros). ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/6 "2016-01-10T16:58:04Z")
Not even have one lava stone and I played like 400 pvp. Is there any easier way to get them? I guess its not, but worth asking. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/7 "2016-01-10T17:46:22Z")
You can only get it as a random drop when fighting in Grosh’Nak, so you could set that kingdom as your home kingdom with a very weak defend team. Every time you defend you will have like a 3% chance of getting a lava traitstone. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 5:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/8 "2016-01-10T17:47:10Z")
Why weak defence team? ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/9 "2016-01-10T17:49:02Z")
> [@eika86](#): > > Why weak defence team? You don’t get traitstones for AI defend wins. The devs have been quite persistent in making AI defend wins pointless in this game, so just set it to something weak for all the better rewards. Something like four Stone Walls or just your hero with a weapon would do the job. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/10 "2016-01-10T17:54:04Z")
Ah, thanks for the input. All comes down to if I want to use traits on her, they seems pretty dull, especially when shes placed as my number 4 troop in my team… ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/11 "2016-01-10T17:55:58Z")
Yeah, Emperina doesn’t really need it. It would probably be best to save lava traitstones for a Sheggra if you ever get one. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/12 "2016-01-10T17:57:15Z")
lol, well said, “if I ever get one”, pretty sure that my sour luck wont find him. What level was you at when you got one? ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/13 "2016-01-10T17:59:55Z")
Level 350ish xD. It was one of the last legends I ever got. Keeper of Souls was my absolute last. I didn’t have either of the major skull spawners until the old skull glitch was fixed. ☹ There is a level 1,000 in this game that has spent over $100 and still doesn’t have Crimson Bat. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/14 "2016-01-10T18:01:25Z")
haha, I got Crimson Bat at level 65, yesterday. My first Legendary tho. Well, it just tells everything about the random in the game, that the lad didnt get the Bat yet… ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/15 "2016-01-10T18:02:27Z")
Crimson Bat is really good against lower levels. You should try putting a majority of your souls into him. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/16 "2016-01-10T18:03:16Z")
Not sure if I want, rather focus on glade and contuer or what he is named?? ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/17 "2016-01-10T18:04:51Z")
That works too, but a Crimson Bat with a maxed Karakoth and Darkstone for +1 magic each can be pretty devastating until about hero level 200. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/18 "2016-01-10T18:05:56Z")
Hes a Legendary, how in the world wont it work after level 200? I hear people saying it, but I just dont get it. On what difficulty are u talking about, normal? ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/19 "2016-01-10T18:09:10Z")
Normal/Hard against anything in PvP. It would start being less effective around that level for people would have more kingdoms maxed and troops further ascended, meaning all troop HP would be decently higher. It works earlier at level 1-199ish for HP tends to be more in the 10-20 range. Something like Crimson Bat + a max traited Wolf Knight would work really well. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757/20 "2016-01-10T18:15:02Z")
The +1 magic for having level 10kingdoms in kara and darkstone should be my first priority no matter what? 😛 [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/do-anyone-know-the-cost-of-emperinas-2nd-and-3rd-trait/2757.md?page=2)