# Devs PLEASE give us Pet Gnomes in explore! šŸ™ **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [November 12, 2019, 1:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140 "2019-11-12T01:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2020, 9:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/63 "2020-02-03T21:31:32Z")
Mithranā€™s posts is quite good, but I fear that they are too lengthy for the Devs to read. ---
**Author:** ![Magnusimus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/magnusimus/32/50652_2.png) [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/64 "2020-02-03T22:03:51Z")
Mithranā€™s posts are some of my favorite things on this forum. Very well presented and reasoned arguments that I _hope_ people are reading **and taking to heart** Honestly, Iā€™m still here playing this game due more to the passionate members of the playerbase who are also _smart_ and willing to write lengthy posts that make me consider my own thoughts and feelings than for some of Gemsā€™ own core mechanics. Edit: Sorry for that run-on sentence. Sheesh. My brainā€™s still a little jostled from the last elf I smashed with my forehead ā€” for the Horde @ChunkyMono šŸ‘ ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/65 "2020-02-03T22:41:18Z")
Agreed that pets _are_ different, and that problems have existed (and been posted about on the forums) before the changes to Explore. > [@Mithran](#): > > Its been something that has been brought up here and there for quite a while. The lack of targeting, the one hour time limit, the fact that Wednesday rescues [ā€¦] is a **perfect storm** for frustration A ā€˜perfect stormā€™ was a phrase used to describe some of the kerfuffle around the changes to Casual PvP in the 4.7 update (combined with dissatisfaction around ETs): > [@Ninja gold nerf, my feedback](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ninja-gold-nerf-my-feedback/59914/14): > > Unfortunately, whatā€™s happened is all a bit of a perfect storm On the one hand, I wanted to sympathise, since there were obviously mistakes made and the devs were under a lot of pressure. On the other hand, many of the elements of the ā€˜perfect stormā€™ were things that had been brought up or visible well before the ā€˜stormā€™ arrived, like the PvP matchmaking and gold payouts that @Mithran has championed many times on the forums. So again, > [@Mithran](#): > > if its not even _considered_ an ā€œissueā€ at this point, then I beg you to reconsider before it rises to the level of ā€œproblemā€. I also thought the points around _agency_ (hat tip @Magnusimus) and having a ā€˜way forwardā€™ to progress pets at any point in time were on the money. ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 12:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/66 "2020-02-04T00:19:18Z")
Can we start a Kickstarter or Gofundme so Mithran can take over this gameā€™s design direction and implementation? The mere illusion of such design leadership has my wallet screaming ā€˜shut up and take my moneyā€™ šŸ˜… šŸ–– ---
**Author:** ![Lyrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyrian/32/61071_2.png) [@Lyrian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyrian)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 2:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/67 "2020-02-04T02:04:04Z")
> [@Magnusimus](#): > > I, the player, have very little control over my pet progression _even if_ I manage my resources well. > > And that sorta stinks And in that statement, you have crystallized the essence of a modern gacha-based game. A well-made gacha-based game doesnā€™t let the player ever have control of outcomes. Knowledge enables planning, which in turn enables control. Iā€™m still impressed that GoW allows datamining of future troops and events, as 99.9% of games of this type will go after any dataminer and very quickly issue them a cease and desist legal letter (at the minimum). And, yes, pets are explicitly designed to incur large amounts of gem spending on impulse binges because one never knows if it will be months until that pet shows up again in a rescue. Like anything else, spending on pets is not a requirement, but good luck finishing a pet naturally for free; not anymore. And also, yes, pets not being in explore is intentional to force players to give up something to farm a specific resource. The days of one-stop game mode playing for resource farming are over. If you farm explores, youā€™re giving up pets to do so. If you farm PvP, then you are giving up gold output in exchange. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 3:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/68 "2020-02-04T03:11:54Z")
> [@Lyrian](#): > > If you farm PvP, then you are giving up gold output in exchange. They consider Farming PvP an Exploit. Better to be safe and play Explore and act like pets donā€™t exist outside of those wanting the kingdom stars maxed. ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 3:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/69 "2020-02-04T03:57:58Z")
Ongoing testing: 90 PvP battles since week reset, zero pet gnomes. šŸ–– ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 6:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/70 "2020-02-04T06:05:09Z")
Minishroom on battle 127. šŸ–– ---
**Author:** ![Live](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/live/32/40596_2.png) [@Live](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Live)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 8:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/71 "2020-02-04T08:52:38Z")
Ok no Pet Gnome outside PVPā€¦ šŸ˜” Whats about the Baited Pet Gnome? ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/d/cde2ed608c96509473a21893e8b6673fc351ec10.png) Its in the spoiler since months, any chance for a release with one of the next updates AND an appearence outside PVP? If you can find him in every other mode with a PVP Win afterwards would also be a solution for the pet problem. ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 9:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/72 "2020-02-04T09:22:47Z")
Baited pet gnomes were added in 4.7. They are summoned whenever a player uses their pet gnome bait: > [@4.7 Update (Patch Notes)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-7-update-patch-notes/59896/1): > > - Pet Gnome Bait is a new collectible that will guarantee the Player receives a Pet Gnome in their next PvP battle. It does not need to be activated ā€“ it automatically baits a Pet Gnome in the very next PvP Battle. > - The Pet Gnome encountered by using Pet Gnome Bait cannot run away, so playerā€™s donā€™t have to worry about him disappearing (heā€™s called the Baited Pet Gnome). > - If a Pet Rescue is triggered while another Guild Member is fighting their Baited Pet Gnome, then the Pet Gnome bait is not consumed. The Baited Pet Gnome must trigger a Pet Rescue before it will be consumed. > - If an existing Pet Rescue is already running before the player can play a PvP battle, the Baited Pet Gnome will not appear, and the bait will not be consumed. > - Any Pet Gnome Bait a player owns will stack so if a player is unable to use it one week they will not miss out on the Pet Gnome Bait if they purchase the pack again. ---
**Author:** ![Live](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/live/32/40596_2.png) [@Live](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Live)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 2:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/73 "2020-02-04T14:29:46Z")
> [@Grundulum](#): > > Baited pet gnomes were added in 4.7. They are summoned whenever a player uses their pet gnome bait Thanks, i know about the shop possibilty. But the unit itself still hasnt been released, so maybe a alternative or just a spoiler bug šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/74 "2020-02-04T14:38:16Z")
I doubt they have any intention of releasing the baited gnome as a troop for collection. He just represents a visual way to access an IAP. ---
**Author:** ![Lyrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyrian/32/61071_2.png) [@Lyrian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyrian)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 5:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/75 "2020-02-06T05:19:21Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > Better to be safe and play Explore and act like pets donā€™t exist outside of those wanting the kingdom stars maxed. Posting a quick FYI on the matter. This issue was discussed on the PQ stream tonight. The design intent is for each game mode to have its own rewards for players to choose to pursue, and move away from the ā€œone-mode-fits-allā€ model of the past. The core rewards for PvP at this time are the 2 CXP per match and the chance at pet gnomes, both of which are not available in Explore. To add pet gnomes to Explore would even further aggravate the situation even more than it is currently. Instead, in a future update, the devs have decided to add additional incentives to PvP to encourage players to play there. But, that wonā€™t happen until sometime after the 5.0 update because a solution needs to be designed to address the situation that agrees with their current design goals for each game mode. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 5:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/76 "2020-02-06T05:33:28Z")
> [@Lyrian](#): > > The design intent is for each game mode to have its own rewards for players to choose to pursue, and move away from the ā€œone-mode-fits-allā€ model of the past. They can easily accomplish that by balancing the game more properly. Not putting an incentive on a game mode that people donā€™t want to play, but have to if they want pets. The best incentive that GoW used to be based on was ā€œFunā€. Now itā€™s all about trapping rewards behind shitty design elements. Besides the uncalled for gold nerf. The worst part about PvP is the 90% Life and Death Defenses. And since you only play like 10 different players. Itā€™s like a song being on repeat over and over again. Even the best songs in the world can be brain numbing on the 50th consecutive play. Basically all they have to do about Life and Death is removed the blessed upgrade. But they wonā€™t. They like how much Life and Death slows players down. So basically they want PvP to be slow, no matter the cost to the fun aspect of it. They want us to care about pets, no matter if playing PvP is the worst part of the game right now. Which is sad, because for years it used to be the best element of it. Itā€™s wonderful to plan such amazing things for 5.0ā€¦I hope the servers stay on that long. At this rate itā€™ll require a bail out from 505 because thereā€™s no way in hell they are going to be profitable this quarter. (I am under the assumption that 5.0 will come after 4.8 and 4.8.5 so at least 3-4 months from now.) ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 6:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/77 "2020-02-06T06:14:17Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > The best incentive that GoW used to be based on was ā€œFunā€. It was indeed: now they just keep digging deeper in the hopes of getting out of a hole, all at the expense of the playerbase. The explore extra clicks are one of the most hypocritical game design features I have come across. But Devsā€™ conscience is unaffected by it, because it helps dig the hole. Unsurprising though, seeing how they consistently ā€˜likeā€™ posts that try to justify their abusive philosophy (see two posts above), whereas they delete posts containing facts that expose their shortcomings for others to see. Self-explanatory Denial Syndrome. šŸ–– ---
**Author:** ![Stix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@Stix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stix)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 8:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/78 "2020-02-06T08:40:29Z")
Except kingdoms are one of the core progress markers. If I donā€™t do delves I get less gold and ingots, ok, I can get those somewhere else. But pets are now essentially exclusive to PvP, and even there they arenā€™t a reliable reward. First you have to get lucky enough to find a gnome, defeat it (thatā€™s _ **usually** _ the easiest step), and then pray to everything you can think that itā€™s the pet you were looking for. If itā€™s not, you can try looking for a new gnome in an hour. ---
**Author:** ![Thevc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a8b319/32.png) [@Thevc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Thevc)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/79 "2020-02-07T20:24:45Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > We arenā€™t able to add pet gnomes to explore at this point in time, This is simply not true. If you are ā€œableā€ to add new gnomes to specific or multiple game modes (eg jewel gnomes) then you are ā€œableā€ to introduce pet gnomes to any mode you choose. Translating ā€œarenā€™t ableā€ to its more commonplace alternative, ā€œcantā€ puts this situation into context; itā€™s not that you ā€œcanā€™tā€, itā€™s that you ā€œwonā€™tā€. Thatā€™s a big difference. As far as the post stating that communication and teamwork means pet availability is ā€œfineā€, then that reflects a niche situation which doesnā€™t reflect the general pet availability experience. 12, 18 (canā€™t be exact on the numbers) pets per day is a far cry from the number of pets most guilds encounter during the same time frame. And as others have pointed out, the 1 hour limit greatly inhibits viable rescue opportunities due to everyday activities, timezone variations and so on. Why canā€™t ALL pets rescued remain available to all guild members within a daily reset 24 hour window? We could rise from sleep, return from work etc and open the games menu to see if there are any gnomes available to rescue thanks to the endeavours of our friends? Similarly, if a guild member finds a gnome, rescues it, and then goes back to pvp and finds another gnome 20 minutes later, why should he feel obliged to sit until the remainder of the original rescue hour expires before killing off the 2nd pet to trigger another rescue. Most of us donā€™t have time for that. Expanding the hour long rescue window to a 24 hour reset window would give most members a chance to rescue the pets found in that period. This one change would keep pvp relevant and possibly end requests for pet gnome integration in other game modes such as explore. ---
**Author:** ![Sheffield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sheffield/32/67509_2.png) [@Sheffield](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sheffield)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 9:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/80 "2020-02-07T21:36:24Z")
The biggest problem is at Orbweaver the Stealthy. If you consider that you have saved forever on Zuul (God Troop) for example and he canā€™t hit it. ---
**Author:** ![Jefferson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@Jefferson](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jefferson)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/81 "2020-02-07T22:24:15Z")
@Saltypatra Is there any chance of pet gnomes becoming stackable? Itā€™s beyond frustrating to have a pet up and then come across another pet gnome that is basically wasted. I think having the next pet gnome activate when the first pet is down might be a step in the right direction. ---
**Author:** ![Dust\_Angel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dust_angel/32/35256_2.png) [@Dust\_Angel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dust_Angel)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140/82 "2020-02-08T15:37:58Z")
As I started writing down gnomes in PvPā€¦here is how this week looks so far (460 games): _M (45); M (75); J (145); T (182); P (312; magmapillar); G (335); G (453); T (455)_ which gives a Pet Gnome rate of stunning 0,2% (with overall gnome rate being 1,7%). Since adding Pet Gnomes to explore is out of the question, I entertain the idea of two possible scenarios to alleviate the situation: 1. make Pet Gnomes the only ones to spawn in PvP; 2. (because #1 will probably sound too radical and extreme) ramp Pet Gnome spawn rate up to 50% and other gnomes (Treasure; Soul; Glory; Jewel; Mecha) get 10% each, giving a grand total of 100%. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/devs-please-give-us-pet-gnomes-in-explore/59140.md?page=5)