# Delves: Strategies, tactics and tips
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)
**Created:** [September 8, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522 "2018-09-08T20:01:37Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/123 "2018-09-11T00:50:26Z")
This was my last move on the boss round. š
Slow and steady wins the race. š
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### Author:  [@TimeKnight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TimeKnight)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/124 "2018-09-11T01:41:05Z")
While I fully agree that my strategy is not optimal, as it does requires more time and can be very risky. It also relied on playersā ability to correctly underestimate themselves, which can be hard.
I have some troubles with it myself. I have to review myself all the time, and have to check my weakness, how to improve it, then adapt my team accordingly. I even take more time planning before doing my first Delve battle, then map my battlesā order, more than Guild Warās battles, and it can take up to 20 minutes. It could be stressful for other players, but for me itās my main part of fun.
As for time spending in actual battles, it can be varied, base on your prefered strategy. Fighting over-stats enemies can take a long time, **_except_** you can use them against themself.
For one example, we all have already experienced Raid in higher level, and probably know about Mang strategy. Does battle in Level 500 harder than Level 100? Yes, and more risky. But does it take more time to do, once you can Mangāed the boss and find some skulls to match? No, if youāre lucky, both only take about a minute.
You can do the same in Delve, with just a bit less effectiveness due to lack of single higher-stats troop to focus on. Although I really **_DONāT_** recommend it except you have some plan to keep Mang alive, as if you lose it, itās pretty much Game Over.
Which bring me to thisā¦
> [@Mithran](#):
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> I **categorically** recommend **against** pushing every delve as far as it can go (so far that you canāt consistently and completely clear repeats), as _**you will be walled out from progress getting renown (canāt win with the faction team)**_ AND shards (less per day on average if you canāt do complete clears or sometimes even lose).
Both fractions factions team are actually quite great and have some Mang potential.
- Hall of Guardian have Ethereal Golem, which can increase attack stats very fast form armor stats (and Gargoyle that benefit from it). They also have natural survival ability.
- All Seeing Eye have Ocularen Leech, which can steal enemiesā attack stats. Theyāre weaker, but they does have a troop that can heal the whole team and summon this troop.
Also, I covered more about it here if youāre interested.
> **Fraction team plan**
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> > [@Faction troop synergy feels off](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/faction-troop-synergy-feels-off/45274/3):
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> > For Hall of Guardian, an ideal team would be _ **Silent Sentinel/Ethereal Sentry/Gargoyle/Arcane Golem** _ . Skull damage will be the main tactic, with Gargoyle as the main offense spell. Attack stats will be the main source of spell damage with Ethereal Golemās assistance . Enchanting and multiple damage-reducing traits are great for long survival, with stun to disable those same traits when fighting boss.
> >
> > For All Seeing Eye, itās _ **Ocularen Leech/Xerodar/Ocularen/Watch Mother** _ . Their main tactic is stare the enemies down from the top with a mix of skull/spell damage. Top 2 are quite great main offender, with Ocularen to help looping them and take out slacking troops. Watch mother to help with survival, and bring back-up Ocularen Leech in case it died. They are not as bulky as the Guardians, so itās great to have summoner.
So I planed to use my faction team untill level 100, switch to main team, then come back every 100 levels to gain more renown, by playing in x1 multiplier and only beat 3 required main rooms. It does waste some scrolls, but itās only a few times, and I didnāt waste limited 2x multipliers.
Also, another factor I donāt see mentioned much here: you get 2 shards for every 10 renown points. So pushing higher does earn you more (if just a few) Shards. It might matter if you can use that to pull more Treasures/troops from that very early, and get higher Hoard Quality faster. Right now my average shards per Delve is 80, so it might worth it for the more time I spent.
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 3:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/125 "2018-09-11T03:17:11Z")
So if I want to keep the new faction coming on Friday at LV 20 I should do every room during its event but retreat before doing the boss? (whenever the new faction event is)
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### Author:  [@XLS78](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/XLS78)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 3:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/126 "2018-09-11T03:21:24Z")
Do event delves level up automatically if you win, regardless of which level you choose? Thatās pretty annoying if so.
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### Author:  [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/127 "2018-09-11T03:29:22Z")
> [@Fleg](#):
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> So if I want to keep the new faction coming on Friday at LV 20 I should do every room during its event but retreat before doing the boss? (whenever the new faction event is)
As far as I know, this is correct. Any time you beat the boss room on the highest level Delve currently available, the difficulty is permanently raised.
> [@XLS78](#):
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> Do event delves level up automatically if you win, regardless of which level you choose? Thatās pretty annoying if so.
See above.
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 3:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/128 "2018-09-11T03:30:43Z")
Can you even choose difficulty during an event?
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### Author:  [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 3:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/129 "2018-09-11T03:38:27Z")
From what I saw in the beta, no. You start at level 20, and any time you beat the boss room the difficulty increases.
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### Author:  [@aurvandil](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/aurvandil)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 5:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/130 "2018-09-11T05:49:39Z")
I am using an alternative strategy of progressing all factions / hoards equally. The rationale for this is that treasure chest start with a 2.00 whenever you choose the highest delve level. The strategy therefore is to go the for the lowest level delve where you can pick up treasure chests with starting 2.0 multipliers. This means leveling all factions at approximately the same pace. When the new faction launches, I will stop leveling the first 2 factions and throw all delves at the new faction until it catches up with the first 2 factions.
Before I do this, I however need to get the Hoard Quality up. The critical level is Hoard Quality 4 because of the +1 to the Delve chest level. I will therefore be leveling up the first 2 factions until I get enough treasure to improve the Hoard Quality to 4 for the new faction.
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### Author:  [@TimeKnight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TimeKnight)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 6:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/131 "2018-09-11T06:04:46Z")
## Upcoming in a hour
- First Fraction Faction event.
- Intense math to determine whatever is it worth to finish all reward stages.
- More math to decide the minimum Tiers needed to do it.
- Great debate about the best strategy to do that without effecting usual Underworld progress too much.
At least I hope that will happened. Iāll provide the screenshots for them all for future calculation. Might even need to create new threadā¦
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### Author:  [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 6:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/132 "2018-09-11T06:09:57Z")
Your second and third bullet points will surely involve lots of **fractions** to optimize this first **faction** event.
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### Author:  [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 6:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/133 "2018-09-11T06:23:02Z")
Sorry I havenāt had time to read this thread yet and Iām not sure if this is the right place to ask.
Did I seriously just spend 30 minutes on delves and get nothing but a single portal to open?
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### Author:  [@TimeKnight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TimeKnight)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 6:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/134 "2018-09-11T06:44:41Z")
Ouchā¦ my autocorrect is acting up again. Sorry! Iāll try to pretend that āFractionā as a word is not exist now. Only Faction have a solid meaning. š
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### Author:  [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/135 "2018-09-11T06:51:45Z")
That will make @Jainus very happy!
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### Author:  [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 9:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/136 "2018-09-11T09:56:17Z")
Wellā¦
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### Author:  [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 10:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/137 "2018-09-11T10:19:50Z")
My guildmates. There is hope.
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### Author:  [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/138 "2018-09-11T11:16:54Z")
So what is everyoneās thought on the delve event?
Enjoyable or a fail?
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### Author:  [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 11:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/139 "2018-09-11T11:25:22Z")
Since i really like actually playing the delves as opposed to the economy simulation that comes with it, i obviously enjoy the event as it is giving us a lot of delve runs.
Iād like it even more if it was at least a three day event, the overall playtime you can spend in it is significantly higher than even the week long events of Raid and Invasion, so more time to do it would be welcome. I would drop more diamonds in the delve shop if the event was longer, but as it stands i will have a hard time using up the tokens i got from getting the weapon at TierIV in just that day, real life demands time too.
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### Author:  [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/140 "2018-09-11T12:46:21Z")
Iām a little bit disappointed by the shop because you can get only the Epic troop (I was hopin for some _random faction troops_ rewards, like all other modes)
Next ASE Event, surely no new weapon so not sure if I will do the Eventā¦
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/141 "2018-09-11T14:27:19Z")
AS promise i will post my free random ingot result day 1
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### Author:  [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/delves-strategies-tactics-and-tips/45522/142 "2018-09-11T14:28:59Z")
Iām going to TL;DR; the TL;DR; post that Iām replying to.
- **Fact** : If your Delve level is lower, you will finish more quickly and more easily.
- **Fact** : If your Delve level is higher, you will have more renown but might not win the Delve.
- **Opinion** : It is smart to keep one faction very low-level so you can get Boss Room rewards without spending a lot of time and effort. This will quickly overpower renown rewards.
- **Opinion** : It is smart to keep _all_ factions relatively low level until you are pushing the hoards very far. Having the ability to quickly clear a particular Delve and get boss room rewards will overpower the missing renown rewards.
- **Opinion** : It is smart to push _all_ factions as far as possible to maximize renown rewards.
Not TL;DR:
I think the third opinion, āpush as far as possibleā, only makes sense in the future when more renown is available. Right now you are potentially sacrificing guaranteed legendary ingots in return for 1 guaranteed common ingot if you maximize renown. I guarantee you by the end of the year, the +1 ingot reward will have given you less mythic ingots than you would get from a Boss Room chest by the end of the month.
The only reason it would be sensible to go āas far as possibleā is if you are confident you can beat the Delve all the way up to 500. Then you get the renown bonus _and_ the boss room bonuses. I donāt think anyone sane thinks they can reliably beat a level 500 Delve yet.
I think most people except the die-hard competitive players believe keeping at least one faction lower-level is the best approach. There are arguments to be made for and against holding all back, I think that one comes out in the wash.
Iām also not completely convinced yet the room multiplier boosts chest rewards. Iām trying to work out how I got 14 ingots from a 3.55 multiplier. Where is my math failing?
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