# Death troop and Death Mark
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PlayStation 4/Xbox One)
**Created:** [October 14, 2016, 12:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780 "2016-10-14T12:00:37Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/21 "2016-10-14T18:34:09Z")
In russia, monkey spank you.
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### Author:  [@death](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/death)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/22 "2016-10-15T02:32:59Z")
Yep rng always favours AI and leeches when opening keys đ
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### Author:  [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/23 "2016-10-15T02:55:18Z")
Well, considering it has a 10% mortality rate per troop on turn 1, a single cast of Death will kill one or more troops just after casting at a rate of 34.39%, with no possibility to cleanse it. A troop suffering from Death Mark will die about 25.81% of the time, assuming it is not cleansed or refreshed and the match continues for 10 more turns. Iâm not sure how you define âtoo often,â but that sounds high enough that I wouldnât want Death Mark to be further buffed â and I can see why it seems to âalwaysâ work for the AI.
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### Author:  [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/24 "2016-10-15T02:58:12Z")
Last stat is a little misleading. Whats the probability of a troop having death mark for 10+ more turnsâŚ
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### Author:  [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/25 "2016-10-15T03:01:04Z")
That number includes cases where Death Mark falls off earlier than 10 turns, and assumes no reapplication in that case.
The formula is:
1.0 - ((0.0 \* 1.0) + (1.0 \* 0.9)((0.2 \* 1.0) + (0.8 \* 0.9)((0.3 \* 1.0) + (0.7 \* 0.9)((0.4 \* 1.0) + (0.6 \* 0.9)((0.5 \* 1.0) + (0.5 \* 0.9)((0.6 \* 1.0) + (0.4 \* 0.9)((0.7 \* 1.0) + (0.3 \* 0.9)((0.8 \* 1.0) + (0.2 \* 0.9)((0.9 \* 1.0) + (0.1 \* 0.9)(1.0))))))))))
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### Author:  [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/26 "2016-10-15T03:16:07Z")
Thats grand but the probability of it lasting 10 turns is non existent.
It would be daft if cleanse doesnt get a chance on turn 1 but that does appear to be the case.
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### Author:  [@Verdugo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Verdugo)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 3:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/27 "2016-10-15T03:23:33Z")
The solution? If youâre fighting against a Creeping Death hero or Death you really canât afford to let said troop cast since itâll be a disaster for you.
Too bad itâs not a disaster for the AI teams when I cast my Danse Macabre spell, ha ha. Basically, donât rely on it when youâre using it, but when youâre fighting against it be careful and donât let said troops cast.
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### Author:  [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/28 "2016-10-15T04:13:53Z")
That formula is the total cumulative mortality rate after ten turns, at which point the debuffs will naturally wear off. It includes wearing off on turn 3, and deaths on turn 2, etc.
Basically, itâs the chance youâll lose a newly Death Marked troop given no spell-based cleanses and at least ten turns of remaining play.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Strange](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mr.Strange)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 4:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/29 "2016-10-15T04:18:39Z")
in my opinion, status effects are a bit OP. Because they use only a single âcleanseâ check each turn.
So my deathmark team throws around deathmarks - but ALSO puts other status effects up often. Because each time you add a new status effect, the cleanse chance drops back down to 0%! If you can keep adding a status effect every turn or two, your deathmarks become VERY good at killing.
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### Author:  [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 4:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/30 "2016-10-15T04:32:19Z")
Adding 1 or 2 of the âadd status effect for matching 4 gemsâ troops seems like a nice way of supplementing deathmark.
Do you recall if the status effects are checked to apply first and then checked if they should clear? Or simultaneous?
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### Author:  [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/31 "2016-10-15T04:33:52Z")
> [@Mr.Strange](#):
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> Because each time you add a new status effect, the cleanse chance drops back down to 0%!
This is good to know. đ
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### Author:  [@Mr.Strange](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mr.Strange)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 4:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/32 "2016-10-15T04:35:03Z")
> [@Robert](#):
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> Adding 1 or 2 of the âadd status effect for matching 4 gemsâ troops seems like a nice way of supplementing deathmark.
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> Do you recall if the status effects are checked to apply first and then checked if they should clear? Or simultaneous?
Most status effects donât do anything at the start of a turn, so itâs really only burning & deathmark that care.
Burning, I know from experience (not code) will NOT burn you on the turn it clears.
So I suspect that deathmark also applies AFTER the clear chance, not before. But thatâs just speculation.
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### Author:  [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/33 "2016-10-15T04:39:46Z")
Burning is guaranteed though; so there is no check but to clear.
I would have liked if it checked to apply, then checked to clear, if both occur then restart.
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### Author:  [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/34 "2016-10-15T04:40:55Z")
Just saying, if the status effect hasnt worn off by turn 10 you need some new lucky charms
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### Author:  [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 6:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/35 "2016-10-15T06:33:09Z")
Death mark has a 1% chance of triggering, not 10%. At least in my experience. That would explain a lot, and itâs a simple mistake to makeâŚ
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### Author:  [@Justin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Justin)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2016, 11:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/36 "2016-10-15T11:35:32Z")
This seems right, I even did 20-30 explore runs on Warlord 4 (just so they survived longer) to test it. I would apply Death Mark to the entire team, over and over it cleanses from THE ENTIRE TEAM. If working as intended, there should be an extremely small chance of that. It does occasionally kill one, but I only counted three over 20-30 matches, and I was intentionally prolonging matches, not even taking skulls, etc. Please look into this, it is definitely not working right.
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### Author:  [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)
#### Post date: [December 15, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/37 "2016-12-15T19:01:01Z")
So if the Death mark is placed on a target - does it immediately start the counter then so there is a 10% it will immediately activate and kill the target?
Right now Iâve hit it three times with undead teams (of course I am doing Frag the Hag) and all three times as soon as it was placed it activated at the end of the teamâs turn and the start of mine (Specifically by Revenant) it would kill target
That seems a bit harsh if the only way you can prevent is is having everyone on the team with canât be affected by death mark since there clearly is no way to take it off since I hadnât even gotten to my turn.
Btw, I normally avoid Death Mark - so I canât say that this is new to 2.2 but I do know that I am hitting it all three times used it fired off at the end of their turn that it was cast.
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### Author:  [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)
#### Post date: [December 15, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/38 "2016-12-15T20:18:17Z")
IMO, Death Mark should work like Hunterâs Mark or other status effects and give a bonus while itâs on.
These instant-death mechanics need to be removed from the game altogether, again IMO.
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### Author:  [@wskill](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/wskill)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/39 "2016-12-16T16:07:02Z")
This⌠please remove deathmark and change devour to just take away 50% of the targets stats and apply them to the caster.
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### Author:  [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/death-troop-and-death-mark/13780/40 "2016-12-16T17:34:42Z")
They most definitely **should not** remove death mark. I would agree the game doesnât need any new instant death mechanics though.
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