# Dead Thread (15 characters) **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [September 7, 2017, 3:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952 "2017-09-07T15:02:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![LummoxJR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lummoxjr/32/209_2.png) [@LummoxJR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LummoxJR)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/62 "2017-09-07T21:24:03Z")
Here’s another rework idea: keep the current either/or, but let her buff 2 other allies if she doesn’t explode. The buff on its own is a compete waste as-is, but buffing multiple allies (I’d prefer all) would be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/63 "2017-09-07T21:24:05Z")
Would you prefer all future troops be named “TROOP 377” with “SPELL 377” and a solid-color rectangle in place of troop art? It’d sure cut down on new troop development costs and time. ---
**Author:** ![sathriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/73ab20/32.png) [@sathriel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sathriel)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/64 "2017-09-07T21:26:13Z")
Great strawman, thanks for playing. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/65 "2017-09-07T21:30:11Z")
It’s no strawman. You either let the fantasy help guide the design or you don’t. I’m taking your statement and moving to the next step. Why bother giving the troops an identity if you don’t design their mechanics to reflect the identity? ---
**Author:** ![sathriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/73ab20/32.png) [@sathriel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sathriel)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/66 "2017-09-07T21:41:07Z")
Yes, with your hyperbole you’re making a strawman. There is a ton of illogical things in GoW because it’s not real world but it’s a game with very narrow set of rules and what matters is that the rules make sense against each other not what someone thinks is logical in their own fantasy world. It’s not an RPG it’s match 3/CCG hybrid. “Real world” logic has little to do with it. Unless someone is immersing himself in that Krystara make-believe while playing GoW. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/67 "2017-09-07T21:46:49Z")
Who was talking about the real world? People were discussing what is thematically appropriate for a goblin (greedy) pyromaniac named “Princess Fizzbang.” Does a name like that evoke images of a nurturer to you? You were railing against a comment that was saying, “The stat buff didn’t fit with her to begin with.” That’s not “applying the real world,” that’s applying the fantasy. And for the record, it’s _[reductio ad absurdum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum)_, not a strawman. ---
**Author:** ![LummoxJR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lummoxjr/32/209_2.png) [@LummoxJR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LummoxJR)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/68 "2017-09-07T21:50:27Z")
Never mind about my suggestion. I just lost a nasty battle that would’ve gone way differently if Fizzbang had exploded every time. Her buff was nigh useless. With the combo breaker still frelled up from the update, the enemy managed to whittle down my lead guys and eventually the board was stuffed with mana I couldn’t use and no way to clear it without her. We need her exploding every time. We need the extra turn. Screw the buff. ---
**Author:** ![sathriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/73ab20/32.png) [@sathriel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sathriel)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/69 "2017-09-07T21:50:41Z")
That doesn’t evoke any images because I am not roleplaying. Again, it’s not an RPG. Sure, bring on the semantics but it still doesn’t change that logic doesn’t make sense 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/70 "2017-09-07T21:53:23Z")
Hence my statement before. You care about the mechanics only, not the flavor. So why bother with the comparatively expensive trappings of art, etc? But anyway, your initial argument is fundamentally flawed, because some people do care about those things you don’t, and therefore things you believe are not important, are – potentially to paying customers. ---
**Author:** ![Amadan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amadan/32/7653_2.png) [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/71 "2017-09-07T21:56:07Z")
You’re misunderstanding an artistic conceit to be real-world logic - that’s not at all what I meant. A conceit is the basic conceptual gimmick behind something; it is _internally_ logical and consistent, but this has nothing at all to do with real-world logic. If we’re taking about a “fire wizard”, throwing fireballs around works with his conceit, but freezing things into blocks of ice doesn’t - the fact that neither one is possible has **nothing to do with it**. A sneaky, stealthy, quiet character with an ability that blew things up wouldn’t make sense for their conceit. A drunken, stumbling, 50’ tall giant with an ability that let them sneak around wouldn’t make sense. Princess Fizzbang exploding her friend to make them healthier doesn’t make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/72 "2017-09-07T22:02:53Z")
_“Fizzbang doesn’t looks like a supporter…”_ _“Exploding things to boost allies doesn’t make any sense…”_ _“Something strawman and the other non-sense i never cared about…”_ Ò\_ô… Huh, i just imagined that she is some kind of _Evoker_, able to tap magical energy in the surroundings into many effects, due the lack of proper teaching her power have adverse effects on allies (random buff on random ally) with a big drawback to the enviroment (things just goes kaboom) in our case the board. Considering the lore behind the setting, Kristara, i imagine that if Thassarion would teach her she would be able to create a lot of diferent effects with proper control and minor or more subtle drawbacks depending of what she is trying to accomplish. ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/73 "2017-09-07T22:05:08Z")
> [@Stan](#): > > less useful than Nobend Brothers, Nobend is cool bro i used it this week for red and brown day and 2 flawless victory baby!!! ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 10:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/74 "2017-09-07T22:16:20Z")
> [@Amadan](#): > > A sneaky, stealthy, quiet character with an ability that blew things up wouldn’t make sense for their conceit. I believe Stealthy is just a form to _translate_ how the princess is cautious to avoid being targeted from incoming magical attacks… Stretching the creativity maybe it’s because she can teleport away from said spells (teleportation is part of her story shared by Sirrian), but i agree that it doesn’t makes a lot of sense that she can avoid spells but not a punch (skull damage)… Anyway don’t think too hard about it because things become strange when you ask yourself how someone can be stealthy in the middle of a battle if there is an ally but not while he is alone, wich is when technically you do stealthy things without your dumb/clumsy friends get in the way while you can also be punched in the face but not be targeted by a spell as i said before… 😅 It’s just a game where the present mechanics try to emulate, the best they can, more complicated interactions. ---
**Author:** ![death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@death](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/death)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/75 "2017-09-07T22:47:28Z")
Here I was thinking this whole time @Vangor was a straight up hardcore gow gangsta. 😃 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/76 "2017-09-07T22:48:23Z")
Impossible to not like this man, hes such a good boy! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/77 "2017-09-07T22:51:09Z")
> [@death](#): > > Here I was thinking this whole time @Vangor was a straight up hardcore gow gangsta What makes you think i am not? ---
**Author:** ![Malina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/779978/32.png) [@Malina](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Malina)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/78 "2017-09-07T23:21:36Z")
#MakeFizzbangGreatAgain ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/79 "2017-09-07T23:34:28Z")
#MakeFizzbangBANGAgain ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/80 "2017-09-07T23:37:32Z")
I’m quite sure I read that the idea of the “Explode or Buff” was proposed by someone on this forum. Sorry but it wasn’t a good idea. So I imagine that devs read it, thought it was a good idea and implement it… ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952/81 "2017-09-07T23:41:54Z")
This one? > [@Going solo with the princess](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/going-solo-with-the-princess/29857/51): > > My suggestion for a more reasonable Princess Fizzbang is just a one word addition: Gain an extra turn, and either: Explode all Green Gems, OR Increase a skill on a random ally by [Magic + 1] (doubled if it’s a Goblin). [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dead-thread-15-characters/29952.md?page=5)