# Dawnbringer unbalances Arena **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [September 16, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338 "2017-09-16T03:18:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/606 "2018-03-11T19:20:03Z")
Last I checked Runic Blade does not confer Barrier to your party, and only works in one specific set of circumstances. Let’s go through the best cases. The best-case is you manage to kill the DB-bearer. It’s generally in the 1st slot and a fairly strong hero so for this to pan out you need: - 2-3 rounds of skull damage -or- an activation of an ability that can knock the DB-bearer to ~14 HP. - Collect enough mana to activate Runic Blade. - Do the above before Dawnbringer activates. Timing is very tight. If your board doesn’t start with skulls or isn’t yellow/green friendly, you’re hosed. This case almost always ends in a win, but you can be blocked from it _by luck_. No amount of skill makes this a high-probability case. The next-best case involves: - One of the defense troops can be killed in one RB activation (smart DB players avoid this). -Or- something is very close to that HP. - You have a cheap, targeted damage-dealer that can knock a non-hero troop to Runic Blade range. - You get to collect enough mana and spend a turn activating that damage-dealer. - You get to collect enough mana to activate Runic Blade. - All of this happens before Dawnbringer fills. If you pull that off, your odds of winning are higher, but there’s a problem. A Dawnbringer activation will be close, and odds are afterwards you have a weakened hero and maybe 1 troop vs. 2-3 barriered opponents that still have Dawnbringer. All of this is quite difficult. You’ve got a 2-3 turn window to work with, and if the following are true you’re going to take a DB hit no matter what: - Sometimes the board is not green/yellow friendly. Dawnbringer collects other mana so it doesn’t care. - Sometimes the board isn’t friendly to your damage-dealing troop. You can fill Runic Blade but it has nothing to kill. - Sometimes you don’t get an appropriate damage-dealing troop in the entire draft. That is, overall, bad odds. I don’t like Arena having a weapon so powerful that facing it and winning involves having drafted a specific team AND having luck. No other weapon affects how I draft so significantly. No one can make the argument, “DB is unbeatable”. The argument is “DB is powerful enough to cut the win rate enough to make the game mode feel uninteresting.” ---
**Author:** ![Thunder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/thunder/32/39233_2.png) [@Thunder](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Thunder)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/607 "2018-03-12T15:12:51Z")
Guess your right bud once i realy noticed it i had dawnbringer myself so yeah … ---
**Author:** ![FREDDY](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/freddy/32/63726_2.png) [@FREDDY](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/FREDDY)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 6:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/609 "2018-04-20T06:02:51Z")
Am I dreaming or has DB slunk out of the arena? I keep expecting to confront him every match but for two days nothing but Runic Blade, a lot more Orpheus Lute, Kingslayer, Baat Jaam Dao, Arrow of Slaying…I can’t be that lucky? and its perversely not the same turning the Runic Blade into a Giant Toadstool-only DB deserved that fate… ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 6:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/610 "2018-04-20T06:24:21Z")
Kingslayer, Orpheus’ Lute, and Baat Jaam Dao, you say? > [@Dusk Sets on Krystara (AKA The Dawnbringer Fix)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dusk-sets-on-krystara-aka-the-dawnbringer-fix/38314): > > You read that correctly… We have now implemented a fix for the Dawnbringer in Arena! With the fix, when your opponent has a Dawnbringer in their team lineup it will be randomly replaced by one of the following weapons: Kingslayer Soul Blade Fire and Ice Orpheus’ Lute Baat Jaam Dao This fix is now live on PC! Make sure to restart your game to see the changes. It will be coming to consoles later today. slight_smile [59a7278c2684cb7be25f423014d237a5] [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338.md?page=30)