# Dawnbringer unbalances Arena **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [September 16, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338 "2017-09-16T03:18:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Aelthwyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/aelthwyn/32/4645_2.png) [@Aelthwyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Aelthwyn)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/485 "2018-01-19T14:21:35Z")
> [@Avathar](#): > > I’ve collected no data to support this, but I sometimes have the feeling that whatever I run into, either in arena or PvP, depends a lot on the time/day of the week… I’d say that the larger the available opponent pool is (perhaps Monday for PvP, and weekends for arena), the lower the chance of running into the endgamers grinding arena/PvP for trophies, and thus the less encounters you get with DB or meta defenses. Do you see any kind of trend in the data you have collected, @Aelthwyn? I am playing PVP too on Monday… 😳 You are probably right. At least to some extent. There is always an increase of the protests against DB the weeks when Intrim or my guild are having a push week. So it seems that having a large pool of players doesn’t help much if they are playing a little while if some endgamers are grinding a lot. ---
**Author:** ![AngryMidget](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/angrymidget/32/10478_2.png) [@AngryMidget](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AngryMidget)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/486 "2018-01-19T14:32:19Z")
> [@Slypenslyde](#): > > It’s possible there’s a Dawnbringer-killer in the works. Problem is there’s no scouting in Arena. Most weapons that can currently be an asset against DB are useless against anything else so you always run the risk of wasting your Hero. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 4:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/487 "2018-01-19T16:24:13Z")
Eh, depending on the design space, maybe not. This is tricky. I can think of a ton of DB-like weapons that will be powerful counters to DB but not as serious a threat. Really you could “fix” DB by splitting its function: If it “just did barrier” it wouldn’t be so threatening. If it “just did AoE damage”… it’d still b ea monster, that’s probably the biggest problem. So what if we had a series of weapons that charged relatively quickly, did no damage, but did party buffs. Submerge shuts down DB. Mana Drain harries it. Mana Burn destroys it. Silence would also be effective. We have so many things we _could_ do but can’t because there aren’t generally-useful weapons that do them. There’s new ideas for weapons such as “there’s no mana effect but it regenerates”, etc. The feedback is two-way. If these weapons are good vs. Dawnbringer, more people will use them. That means they’ll show up on defense and make Dawnbringer less of an “I Win” button. Some Dawnbringer owners will probably switch to different weapons. Thus, we’ll have less Dawnbringer in the pool _and_ a more diverse pool. It could easily get imbalanced and develop a new, stale meta. Right now, I’d prefer “this set of several weapons is terrorizing the Arena” than “you have to draft to beat Dawnbringer or you will lose”. Sometimes you want steak but you’ve only got money for Whataburger. ---
**Author:** ![Courtaud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/courtaud/32/20160_2.png) [@Courtaud](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Courtaud)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/488 "2018-01-19T17:26:43Z")
> [@Slypenslyde](#): > > So what if we had a series of weapons that charged relatively quickly, did no damage, but did party buffs. Submerge shuts down DB. Mana Drain harries it. Mana Burn destroys it. Silence would also be effective. We have so many things we could do but can’t because there aren’t generally-useful weapons that do them. There’s new ideas for weapons such as “there’s no mana effect but it regenerates”, etc. I cannot recall too many troops available in Arena that can Submerge, Silence, Mana Drain or Mana Burn. And you have to be lucky to get them, to begin with. There’s a reason why DB is a pain in Arena and not elsewhere (apart that in PVP you don’t met DB when at the level Arena troops are) ---
**Author:** ![Fvffar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fvffar/32/35063_2.png) [@Fvffar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fvffar)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/489 "2018-01-19T18:14:53Z")
_Just my experience_: I have DB and I still think Arena should do without it. It became too much procedural. ---
**Author:** ![Roxie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/67e7ee/32.png) [@Roxie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Roxie)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/490 "2018-01-19T18:28:50Z")
Yes, it is really rough fighting the “Dawg” without a “Dawg” so I worked, worked and worked until I obtained the resources to forge ole “Dawg”. Now I use it and abuse it like it once abused me. Anything wrong with that? No reason to be anti Dawnbringer - may take some time but it is available to everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/491 "2018-01-19T18:58:47Z")
> [@Courtaud](#): > > I cannot recall too many troops available in Arena that can Submerge, Silence, Mana Drain or Mana Burn. And you have to be lucky to get them, to begin with. I worded it strangely but meant, “What if you had a selection of weapons that could AoE these effects?” ---
**Author:** ![Courtaud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/courtaud/32/20160_2.png) [@Courtaud](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Courtaud)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/492 "2018-01-19T19:04:12Z")
I think the whole Weaponry needs an overhaul, but the problem with Arena is, you don’t know who you are facing. You need something that 's all round good, but not OP. > [@Roxie](#): > > Yes, it is really rough fighting the “Dawg” without a “Dawg” so I worked, worked and worked until I obtained the resources to forge ole “Dawg”. Now I use it and abuse it like it once abused me. Anything wrong with that? No reason to be anti Dawnbringer - may take some time but it is available to everyone. And that’s how abuse is perpetuated. You, sir or madam, are NOT abusing those who made you suffer. You are taking it on innocent players. …Seriously. We are asking to take out DB from the defense teams. Do you have a problem with that? ---
**Author:** ![Roxie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/67e7ee/32.png) [@Roxie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Roxie)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/493 "2018-01-19T19:10:06Z")
No I don’t. It should be taken out of the defense teams. I was there, know what it’s like and totally agree. I just don’t want it taken away after all the time and effort I put forth, to obtain it. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/494 "2018-01-19T20:11:37Z")
> [@Roxie](#): > > No I don’t. It should be taken out of the defense teams. I was there, know what it’s like and totally agree. I just don’t want it taken away after all the time and effort I put forth, to obtain it. Hi see any of my giant summary posts of this thread. In general everyone agrees we don’t care if you can use DB on offense because the problem is facing DB on defense. So it’s not a new point. It’s still true that the one Cortaud quoted doesn’t apply for arena: Dawnbringer (and weapons in general) break the rule that “you can’t grind your way to a successful arena”. ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 4:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/495 "2018-01-20T04:22:10Z")
> [@Aelthwyn](#): > > There is always an increase of the protests against DB the weeks when Intrim or my guild are having a push week I remember when Intrim was pushing for 2 million trophies that was the worst I have ever seen arena. I have fought you a few times and was surprised to see someone from Anonymous not using a Dawnbringer. ---
**Author:** ![netwizard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/netwizard/32/35338_2.png) [@netwizard](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/netwizard)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 7:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/496 "2018-01-20T07:31:15Z")
How to beat Dawnbringer in Arena: Step 1: Craft Drawnbringer. ---
**Author:** ![Aelthwyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/aelthwyn/32/4645_2.png) [@Aelthwyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Aelthwyn)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/497 "2018-01-20T16:59:47Z")
> [@Maxx](#): > > > [@Aelthwyn](#): > > > > There is always an increase of the protests against DB the weeks when Intrim or my guild are having a push week > > I remember when Intrim was pushing for 2 million trophies that was the worst I have ever seen arena. I have fought you a few times and was surprised to see someone from Anonymous not using a Dawnbringer. I don’t use Dawnbringer and Runic blade in arena, except during our push weeks. They are not fun to use. ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 5:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/498 "2018-01-22T05:04:28Z")
> [@netwizard](#): > > How to beat Dawnbringer in Arena: > > Step 1: Craft Drawnbringer. That didn’t work ![20180120200115_1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/2/6/26938fd40ebeafce45962366650bfe500979ca19.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 5:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/499 "2018-01-22T05:05:15Z")
@Saltypatra will anything be done about Dawnbringer in arena in 3.3? Guess I’m not getting an answer ---
**Author:** ![Nephilim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nephilim/32/29092_2.png) [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 6:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/500 "2018-01-22T06:58:44Z")
Jackelope can take down dB as can sword master. There’s more, especially war goat who can put it at the bottom so it’s less likely to get mana too. I also have db and coming up against another is a pita and even casting first doesn’t guarantee a win. It really just needs removing from defence in arena but this must be a very complicated situation because it’s taking far too long and people are turning away. ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 7:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/501 "2018-01-22T07:01:27Z")
My Dawnbringer got turned into a Mushroom! I was pissed! LOL, it was funny and I still won. ---
**Author:** ![Nephilim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nephilim/32/29092_2.png) [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 7:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/502 "2018-01-22T07:02:14Z")
Lol, yeah that’s a right pizzler. ---
**Author:** ![Courtaud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/courtaud/32/20160_2.png) [@Courtaud](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Courtaud)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 11:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/503 "2018-01-22T11:26:28Z")
We might ask for Giant Toadstool being mandatory in Arena. Both sides. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![miedzielski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dec6dc/32.png) [@miedzielski](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/miedzielski)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/504 "2018-01-22T13:58:34Z")
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