# Dawnbringer unbalances Arena **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [September 16, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338 "2017-09-16T03:18:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Sheba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sheba/32/45190_2.png) [@Sheba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sheba)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 5:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/404 "2018-01-11T05:54:16Z")
> [@AngryMidget](#): > > I have nothing to back this up of course. It’s just how I personally see it. I purchased Deathknight at about level 40. > > When you look at the things you can buy, growth packs, path to glory and even ring of wonder. Most seems to be aimed at a newer player. > > None of those things would help me. Which I’m ok with. Hmm, lemme try to remember. The first and only thing I purchased in “early game” was the weapon bundle with Sun and Moon. Then I didn’t buy anything for a long time. I started playing August 21st, and bought Sun and Moon on September 5th. I then wanted to save up for Deathknight in November, but the new UI happened and I didn’t. I bought Deathknight at the end of November, after the hotfix, and was around level 800 then. Then there was the Leonis week and I spent a LOT to get Khorvash and also get him to mythic right away (bought the legendary bundle twice). Afterwards, I also bought the Growth Pack for a mythic (yay, Stonehammer…) since being around level 1000 and having none was sad. And ever since then, I only buy the weekly weapon pack and sometimes bought the Soulforge pack on Sundays. I’m now at VIP 6, 300/500 to VIP 7. So 270 bucks spent on the game. Given how the Sun and Moon bundle was like… 30 bucks, I think, I can say that I spent only those before reaching level 800+. And the big spending happened after that, several months into the game. Then again, I doubt I can be considered a “big spender”. Wish there would be more stuff to spend my money on that would be worth it. Also I would pay a crapload to turn the particles off and make the board non-transparent… ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/405 "2018-01-11T06:20:19Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > We are currently working on this issue It’s not an issue that requires working on. It’s a simple one or two database commands to filter out heroes with weapon id=dawnbringer. ---
**Author:** ![AngryMidget](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/angrymidget/32/10478_2.png) [@AngryMidget](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AngryMidget)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 7:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/406 "2018-01-11T07:03:46Z")
I’m sure I saw something about them not doing that because it would cause other implications such as Runic Blade becoming a problem if DB was removed. Rather than shift the issue from one weapon to another they want to eradicate the problem entirely. This goes back to the issue of them not playing their own game enough unfortunately. No other weapon in Arena was a problem before DB so logic dictates they won’t become a problem after it either. ---
**Author:** ![MadOrange](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/madorange/32/23351_2.png) [@MadOrange](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/MadOrange)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 8:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/407 "2018-01-11T08:42:01Z")
I am VIP lvl 8, i have spent more money on this game than any other FTP game. I dont expect them to fix it because i am complaining, i expect them to fix it because many are complaining. My problem is, i do not complain constructively sometimes. Also, when someone in a forum specifically call me out, i react. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/408 "2018-01-11T14:44:51Z")
> [@UKresistance](#): > > It’s not an issue that requires working on. It’s a simple one or two database commands to filter out heroes with weapon id=dawnbringer. Let’s not be too, too presumptuous, “just a simple fix” is where I’ve made my worst bugs. I’m happier with “we’re making sure we like the fix and considering what the most fun thing might be” than “let’s pretend it’s not an issue.” That’s putting some extra words in Salty’s mouth but sometimes I’m an optimist. ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/409 "2018-01-11T15:50:02Z")
Yeah, I’m gonna be totally presumptuous on this as I’ve been for months, and I’ve never heard a dev counter claim. They want to fix some “greater” problem that require a lot of thinking and research instead of just filtering out dawnbringer. How hard is filtering out hero-weapon !=dawnbringer? Ridiculously easy, devs just need to be motivated enough to fix this now. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 4:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/410 "2018-01-11T16:25:47Z")
I’m being professional rather than a player, here. I can think of pages of reasons why a simple fix is either scary, or could spawn several days worth of extra work, including the QA that no one wants them to skip. I am happy to move from “no acknowledgement” to “we’re thinking about it”. The last thing I want is for them to try a hasty fix, cause more problems, then dismiss the whole thing as “harder than it looks”. ---
**Author:** ![Sheba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sheba/32/45190_2.png) [@Sheba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sheba)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/411 "2018-01-11T16:38:11Z")
From my summary of the last Q&A: > [@Dev Q and A Question Gathering Time!](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dev-q-and-a-question-gathering-time/34109/219): > > To give a bit more detail on what I remember from the talk about this matter: > > - A shortterm solution would be just the removal of Dawnbringer, but that would just shift the problem to the next weapon down (Runic Blade). The devs would therefore prefer a longterm solution since other weapons like Dawnbringer might exist one day. > - One idea for a longterm solution is offering a weapon just like offering troops, but apparently that system was already tested/used before and not very popular. > - Another is removing the hero and adding an epic troop choice. > - The third thing named was limiting the rarity of weapons. I didn’t quite catch if that only means the weapons of the AI or the ones we can pick as well. If only mythic weapons would be banned or legendary ones as well wasn’t said, I think. Basically, there’d be a lot to decide here, but this was named as the third basic idea. > > All these longterm solutions would require coding, of course, and the devs weren’t completely opposed to a shortterm fix since there’s no ETA for a longterm solution, but they would really, really prefer to do it right with a longterm thing. I also remember them saying that the person meant to work on the issue had been changed to a more urgent bug fix prior to the Q&A. No clue if they have gone back to working on this by now. Also there was the information that unless a longterm fix would be found, no more weapons like Dawnbringer would be added. I forgot if that meant Soulforge weapons in general or only mythic weapons like Dawnbringer. Also yes, apparently the devs had gotten complains about Runic Blade before DB existed. ---
**Author:** ![FREDDY](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/freddy/32/63726_2.png) [@FREDDY](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/FREDDY)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/412 "2018-01-11T22:04:30Z")
‘Ridicously easy’ is also how DB smashes in one sweep to eliminate an entire player team on so called normal setting in the arena. Nothing balanced about DB as a defence option. Nothing reasonable about repeatedly confronting it; even four or five times in a row. Consisently over difficult to beat and requires the game gods on your side and if they are not its a smashing, pulverizing and demoralizing one hit exit and the same in the following match up. DB makes the arena reek. Fix it. ---
**Author:** ![BOOMHEADSHOT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/48db29/32.png) [@BOOMHEADSHOT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/BOOMHEADSHOT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/413 "2018-01-11T22:23:16Z")
Remove db from arena defense and offense and then offer refund for db Problem solved ---
**Author:** ![Courtaud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/courtaud/32/20160_2.png) [@Courtaud](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Courtaud)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 4:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/414 "2018-01-12T04:09:36Z")
I don’t understand all this “removing DB would shift the problem down to Runic Blade”. Runic Blade has been around since forever and no one had a problem with it. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 4:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/415 "2018-01-12T04:13:14Z")
There was a lot of discussion concerning Runic Blade before Dawn Bringer was introduced. ---
**Author:** ![collectorofgems](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/collectorofgems/32/38138_2.png) [@collectorofgems](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/collectorofgems)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/416 "2018-01-12T04:52:09Z")
And when the next all powerful weapon is created the discussion will continue . . . . . 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Courtaud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/courtaud/32/20160_2.png) [@Courtaud](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Courtaud)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 9:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/417 "2018-01-12T09:44:22Z")
Looking back, true ☹ Still there’s a difference on how the two weapons work that’s important in Arena more than in PVP or Explore. ---
**Author:** ![AngryMidget](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/angrymidget/32/10478_2.png) [@AngryMidget](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AngryMidget)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 10:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/418 "2018-01-12T10:36:19Z")
Saying there was a lot of discussion is a bit excessive don’t you think? There were a few threads created which didn’t go on for more than 50 comments. In comparison to this thread which is already over 400. Maybe we were all a bit too preemptive in saying no one had a problem with Runic Blade. But looking back at past threads there really should be no comparison. One thread about RB even shifts it’s focus onto how ridiculous DB is. ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 10:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/419 "2018-01-12T10:49:11Z")
> [@AngryMidget](#): > > I’m sure I saw something about them not doing that because it would cause other implications such as Runic Blade becoming a problem if DB was removed. That’s never stopped them before. Bone Dragon was a problem so they nerfed it and then it was Psion/Famine so they nerfed Famine and then it was Wisp so they nerfed that and then it became Forest Troll/Kraken so they nerfed Kraken and now I’m starting to see Infernus/Dawnbringer everwhere so Infernus will get nerfed in the next couple of months. The main reason I can see that they will not band aid this problem is because Dawnbringer on defense slows down arena and slows us down getting resources. The other reason I think they aren’t doing anything is because arena doesn’t bring in money. Why bother spending money for mythics and legendaries if all you do is arena and you can’t use them there. I don’t think the devs even care about arena. Before the ui update we could see what the previous troops we chose were when picking but now we have can’t see anything. We can get event gems from killing things in PvP and explore and just by doing TH but never arena. We get bonus glory, gold and traitstones from using certain troops or teams in PvP but never bonus stuff for doing arena. When I asked about event gems and bonuses for arena Nimhain said it wasn’t even possible. And finally Dawnbringer was never even tested in arena. I use to love arena I would do at least 30 runs a week but now after fighting Dawnbringer 4 times in a run I just rage quit and ignore it. I haven’t even touched arena in about a month. ---
**Author:** ![AngryMidget](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/angrymidget/32/10478_2.png) [@AngryMidget](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AngryMidget)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 10:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/420 "2018-01-12T10:52:18Z")
> [@Maxx](#): > > The main reason I can see that they will not band aid this problem is because Dawnbringer on defense slows down arena and slows us down getting resources. > > The other reason I think they aren’t doing anything is because arena doesn’t bring in money. Why bother spending money for mythics and legendaries if all you do is arena and you can’t use them there. I agree wholeheartedly with you. > [@Maxx](#): > > I haven’t even touched arena in about a month. I jump in occasionally because I miss the need for some sort of strategy which is missing from the rest of the game. But then DB appears and it’s game over. ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 11:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/421 "2018-01-12T11:06:31Z")
The longest thread I found on Runic Blade had 39 replies and halfway through it turned into a Dawnbringer thread. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 11:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/422 "2018-01-12T11:47:01Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > There was a lot of discussion concerning Runic Blade before Dawn Bringer was introduced. Which ended up with nothing being changed about Runic Blade. Is this a subtle way of telling us Dawnbringer will continue to receive the all talk, zero action treatment? I can’t help but notice that any time the topic is raised there hasn’t been any progress at all due to yet another more pressing issue that spontaneously showed up. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338/423 "2018-01-12T12:51:07Z")
Kafka was on xbox chat with, all talk and no action. ‘It’s not just a two minute fix, we need to consider the feelings of the community.’ [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338.md?page=20) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/dawnbringer-unbalances-arena/30338.md?page=22)