# Data Gathering - Portal Drop Rates **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [November 8, 2019, 6:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/data-gathering-portal-drop-rates/59049 "2019-11-08T06:47:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Magnusimus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/magnusimus/32/50652_2.png) [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/data-gathering-portal-drop-rates/59049/21 "2019-11-09T23:48:54Z")
Had a fair number of extra shards and time this go-around, so I single-pulled portals for the cause. Here’s what I found: 502 Portals were opened. 247 of those yielded Treasures. 255 yielded Troops. 85 of said troops were “wasted” pulls in that they would serve no purpose other than to be disenchanted (if you’re wondering why I kept pulling after the third “extra” of each troop, so am I–it was a mistake that resulted in me having at least 5 copies of each troop at mythic, rather than 4 😅). So… ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/b/0/b05d7f2c4585bdf4ea0e712b485466e947f2038c.png) …and here’s a breakdown by individual cards pulled: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/1/9/19e2a048432ec459e30c601ea594e29fd6992c07.png) It took me… 4520 Shards to mythic The Mirror Queen 4900 Shards to mythic Glass Golem 5700 Shards to mythic Doppelganger 7620 Shards to mythic Copycat Interesting, to me at least, is that the order of completion is different if we look at having four mythic copies (rather than one) as “complete”; the order in that case becomes: Doppelganger Glass Golem Copycat The Mirror Queen > **For those masochistic enough to be interested, here's the full list of all 502 pulls, in order:** > > ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/1/c15ec0068d5a6d3a4e3bfa6ad6944b0311e83664.png) > **If that image isn't easy-to-read and you really, really are a glutton for punishment, here's the same information in straight-text** > > Priest’s Chalice > King’s Crown > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Priest’s Chalice > Glass Golem > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > King’s Crown > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Glass Golem > Doppelganger > Glass Golem > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Coin Purse > Doppelganger > Coin Purse > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Coin Purse > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Copycat > Gold Ring > Copycat > Gold Ring > Genie’s Lamp > Doppelganger > Copycat > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Copycat > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Priest’s Chalice > Genie’s Lamp > Copycat > Sacred Treasure > Gold Ring > The Mirror Queen > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > The Mirror Queen > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Coin Purse > Glass Golem > Copycat > Gold Ring > Copycat > Priest’s Chalice > Genie’s Lamp > Priest’s Chalice > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Priest’s Chalice > Copycat > Doppelganger > King’s Crown > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > King’s Crown > Copycat > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Copycat > Priest’s Chalice > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Copycat > Gold Ring > Coin Purse > Doppelganger > Copycat > Doppelganger > The Mirror Queen > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > King’s Crown > Coin Purse > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Coin Purse > Gold Ring > Coin Purse > Priest’s Chalice > Priest’s Chalice > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Copycat > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Copycat > Copycat > Doppelganger > Coin Purse > Glass Golem > Glass Golem > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > The Mirror Queen > Genie’s Lamp > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Copycat > King’s Crown > Glass Golem > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Glass Golem > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Glass Golem > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > King’s Crown > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Copycat > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > The Mirror Queen > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > King’s Crown > Genie’s Lamp > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > King’s Crown > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Coin Purse > Priest’s Chalice > Coin Purse > Glass Golem > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Glass Golem > Genie’s Lamp > Gold Ring > King’s Crown > Copycat > Gold Ring > Priest’s Chalice > Glass Golem > Sacred Treasure > Coin Purse > Doppelganger > King’s Crown > Priest’s Chalice > Copycat > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Sacred Treasure > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Coin Purse > Copycat > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Copycat > Doppelganger > Copycat > Glass Golem > Gold Ring > Glass Golem > Copycat > Coin Purse > Copycat > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > The Mirror Queen > Priest’s Chalice > Gold Ring > Copycat > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > King’s Crown > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > King’s Crown > Glass Golem > Gold Ring > Coin Purse > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Copycat > Priest’s Chalice > Genie’s Lamp > Glass Golem > Gold Ring > Coin Purse > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Copycat > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Priest’s Chalice > The Mirror Queen > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Glass Golem > Gold Ring > Coin Purse > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Glass Golem > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Priest’s Chalice > Gold Ring > King’s Crown > Copycat > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Sacred Treasure > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > King’s Crown > Gold Ring > Priest’s Chalice > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Glass Golem > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Glass Golem > Glass Golem > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Glass Golem > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Copycat > Coin Purse > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > The Mirror Queen > Copycat > Doppelganger > Copycat > Gold Ring > Glass Golem > Doppelganger > Coin Purse > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Glass Golem > Gold Ring > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Copycat > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Genie’s Lamp > Gold Ring > Coin Purse > Gold Ring > Copycat > Priest’s Chalice > Priest’s Chalice > Gold Ring > Copycat > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Glass Golem > Glass Golem > Copycat > Copycat > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Copycat > Copycat > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Genie’s Lamp > Genie’s Lamp > Copycat > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Copycat > Gold Ring > Priest’s Chalice > Coin Purse > Gold Ring > Glass Golem > Gold Ring > Glass Golem > Priest’s Chalice > Copycat > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Copycat > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Copycat > Coin Purse > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Genie’s Lamp > Coin Purse > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Coin Purse > Priest’s Chalice > King’s Crown > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Glass Golem > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Copycat > Copycat > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Copycat > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > King’s Crown > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Glass Golem > Gold Ring > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > The Mirror Queen > Copycat > Gold Ring > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Copycat > Doppelganger > Genie’s Lamp > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Glass Golem > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > King’s Crown > Gold Ring > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Sacred Treasure > Coin Purse > Doppelganger > King’s Crown > Doppelganger > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Copycat > Gold Ring > Copycat > Gold Ring > Copycat > Doppelganger > Copycat > Gold Ring > Copycat > Doppelganger > King’s Crown > Priest’s Chalice > King’s Crown > Doppelganger > Priest’s Chalice > Genie’s Lamp > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Glass Golem > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > King’s Crown > Copycat > Copycat > Coin Purse > Priest’s Chalice > Copycat > Glass Golem > Gold Ring > Gold Ring > Copycat > Genie’s Lamp > Doppelganger > Glass Golem > Coin Purse > Doppelganger > Coin Purse > Doppelganger > Copycat > Gold Ring > Copycat > Gold Ring > Copycat > Coin Purse > The Mirror Queen Screenshots to verify my data: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/e/ce1f316577ed35e7b2865afa5424182f1eb3fc2e.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/5/7/57521210773f0c085304e3dc37bc4bafa5502c79.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/3/33538ca066334742c6d730d3e0cb12b159eaa763.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/f/0/f0ec4a58cd0aca3be1ff2c179cd0b44d5a9e5bee.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/f/e/fefad6d31a3471e4cb6be30ab872ab1670f87019.jpeg) Apologies for the disparity the image below will have—I forgot to take the treasure “after” screen before I purchased through Tier IV in the event shop: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/0/405cb76dd90f4153e40f7a25cc59e83b68411ee7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/data-gathering-portal-drop-rates/59049/22 "2019-11-11T02:20:31Z")
> [@UKresistance](#): > > How curious… do you expect to find a difference? > [@Grundulum](#): > > Consecutive single-portal openings, with no other activity between, would allow for streakiness testing. Yeah, this. We _shouldn’t_ find any significant difference in terms of overall drop ratios, but knowing the ordering of the individual samples allows for a Runs test. Also, to determine if there **is** any significant difference from using the single pull versus 10 pulls - to which, at a glance and over these relatively large sample sets from Magnusimus and Dust\_Angel, these seem to line up quite well with previous reports of attempting to mythic all faction troops (where they were almost _surely_ done with x10 pulls). Thanks for the data everyone. Looking at it quickly for established patterns (expectation of 7200~8k shards to mythic all faction troops, rings \> chalices \> purses at nearly 2:1 ratios, \>50% overall treasures) shows no reason to suspect anything has changed. I’ll input and crunch full numbers when I have the time (Tuesday probably). ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 9:59am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/data-gathering-portal-drop-rates/59049/23 "2019-11-13T09:59:01Z")
Haven’t had time to run the numbers here just yet. Keep getting distracted by, well, the main reason I asked for them in the first place. I don’t expect any “big reveals” running the basic data sets here and expect them to confirm what the status quo was at this point, but I’m still going to document them. The individual pulls sets I still plan on doing a Runs test on, but I’m not sure what approach to use now that it has been revealed that every troop and most treasures could have rolled whether or not “Troop” or “Treasure” was the original roll… and there are at _least_ two _known_ random operations (and sometimes three) per individual drop pulled to get to the last drop. I suppose I can still do the Runs test on “treasures versus troops” to see how this stacks up as “random” versus a simulated sequential single layer random sequence with a 54.2/45.8 split, or maybe just check one of the “rare” troops or treasures versus everything else since each individually should be appearing at a high enough rate for these to be good sample sizes. Even if we can’t get a good conclusion off this, we can repeat the test in the next month or so with the “fixed” code to see if the “streakiness” was significantly impacted by the code using a different sequence of random operation to get us to what is supposed to be the same results. ---
**Author:** ![Magnusimus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/magnusimus/32/50652_2.png) [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/data-gathering-portal-drop-rates/59049/24 "2019-11-14T01:32:51Z")
In @Mithran I trust, no matter the timetable 👍 ---
**Author:** ![covertmuffin123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5daacb/32.png) [@covertmuffin123](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/covertmuffin123)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 2:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/data-gathering-portal-drop-rates/59049/25 "2019-11-14T02:46:44Z")
> [@Mithran](#): > > we can repeat the test in the next month or so with the “fixed” code Based on happenings in the other thread, it looks like this might be worthwhile once the dust settles. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/data-gathering-portal-drop-rates/59049.md?page=1)