# Cursed Gnomes sometimes drop 0 Cursed Runes when killed during a GAP
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346
**Category:** Bug Reports
**Created:** [December 15, 2021, 12:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346 "2021-12-15T12:18:35Z")
**Posts on this page:** 11
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2021, 11:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/22 "2021-12-16T11:01:55Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#):
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> Personally, I rather get a vault key than 1 - 2 runes during GaP.
Actually I would prefer even 1 rune over a vk. I would happily trade 500 vk for 500 runes.
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### Author:  [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2021, 11:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/23 "2021-12-16T11:18:01Z")
> [@Fleg](#):
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> Actually I would prefer even 1 rune over a vk. I would happily trade 500 vk for 500 runes.
Not good enough a trade. What most players don’t realize yet, while it might take 330 runes to upgrade your forge to level 20, it takes several thousand runes to craft the things unlocked by upgrading. 500 runes is a drop in an ocean, I’d rather take 500 vault rewards instead.
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2021, 11:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/24 "2021-12-16T11:26:41Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#):
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> it takes several thousand runes to craft the things unlocked by upgrading. 500 runes is a drop in an ocean
330 to upgrade the forge (or 6k gems) 100 for the mythic, 10 for the pet, 300 for the weapons = 740 or 410 with gems. Everything else is not necessary and optional. You would have to be crazy to craft anything else like forge scrolls etc. Personally I just want 410.
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### Author:  [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2021, 11:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/25 "2021-12-16T11:46:33Z")
> [@Fleg](#):
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> 330 to upgrade the forge (or 6k gems) 100 for the mythic, 10 for the pet, 300 for the weapons = 740 or 410 with gems. Everything else is not necessary and optional. You would have to be crazy to craft anything else like forge scrolls etc. Personally I just want 410.
That’s just how you start out. Eventually you realize that you actually want to craft the pet 31 times to get it to mythic. And that you actually want to craft forge scrolls to upgrade all those weapons you just crafted. And that you actually want to convert some of those excess medals piling up to higher rarity. If 410 works out for you it’s pretty impressive, I’m pretty sure I’ll need more. 😅
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2021, 11:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/26 "2021-12-16T11:56:52Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#):
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> you actually want to craft forge scrolls to upgrade all those weapons you just crafted.
Hell no is my advice to everybody on crafting forge scrolls. Even if they cost no curse runes they still cost 100 writs which is 5500 writs per weapon which is 5 and a half imperial deeds per weapon.
> [@Fourdottwoone](#):
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> you actually want to convert some of those excess medals piling up to higher rarity
As discussed elsewhere a 5:1 ratio is a terrible terrible deal and should never be done by anyone ever.
> [@Fourdottwoone](#):
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> you actually want to craft the pet 31 times to get it to mythic.
This might actually be where I use my excess runes after eventually getting 410. I don’t really care about getting cosmetic pets mythic but after getting the troop and weapons there literally is nothing better to spend your runes on imo.
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### Author:  [@Madd\_Hurricane](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Madd_Hurricane)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2021, 12:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/27 "2021-12-16T12:06:40Z")
Agreed 100% with @Fleg. And after crafting the mythic, 6 cursebreaker weapons and 31 copies of the new pet, I’ll probably just use any excess runes to craft more VKs as I have more treasure maps, celestial traitstones and souls than I’ll ever use.
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### Author:  [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2021, 12:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/28 "2021-12-16T12:12:40Z")
> [@Fleg](#):
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> Hell no is my advice to everybody on crafting forge scrolls. Even if they cost no curse runes they still cost 100 writs which is 5500 writs per weapon which is 5 and a half imperial deeds per weapon.
The alternative is to buy them from the Tower of Doom shop, which is 500 gems for 3 scrolls. That’s slightly above 9000 gems, or 18 imperial deeds for those lucky enough to get them offered.
> [@Fleg](#):
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> As discussed elsewhere a 5:1 ratio is a terrible terrible deal and should never be done by anyone ever.
I’m really torn on this one. It’s way overpriced. I hate gambling on success rates. Decisions, decisions. Good thing I’m still at least a year away from medals starting to pile up.
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/29 "2021-12-16T12:30:47Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#):
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> The alternative is to buy them from the Tower of Doom shop, which is 500 gems for 3 scrolls. That’s slightly above 9000 gems, or 18 imperial deeds for those lucky enough to get them offered.
Gems are plentiful these days for endgamers. Imperial deeds are not. I always grab them for 500 gems when they rarely show up. My point is, I do think imperial deeds are worth 500 gems so yes, if I decided I really want to upgrade all my doom weapons I would rather do it from ToD tiers. Kingdom Power is far more important to me than having all doom weapons upgraded.
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### Author:  [@Shaylynn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shaylynn)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2021, 2:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/30 "2021-12-16T14:53:50Z")
> [@Fleg](#):
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> FYI they drop 13-15 when killed outside of a GAP.
I wish. But they don’t always drop Cursed Runes.
Did Explore level 6 and the Cursed Gnome dropped a Vault Key - this was a normal explore fight, not during a Gnome-a-Palooza
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### Author:  [@Tibo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tibo)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2021, 6:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/31 "2021-12-17T18:29:10Z")
Gnomes during vault weekend has the chance to drop a vault key instead their normal reward, so a vault key is normal.
What is not normal that the cursed gnome should be a special one like the mana surge gnomes and shouldn’t drop vault keys.
But all this is just theory crafting since the cursed gnomes are so scarce those 13-15 stone wouldn’t make a difference.
On what is worth crafting, I would rather craft forge scrolls than a pet 31 times or a mediocre mythic. But again it is just theory crafting cause with the current rate it will take years just to upgrade the forge.
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### Author:  [@Draegor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Draegor)
#### Post date: [December 20, 2021, 3:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/32 "2021-12-20T03:23:51Z")
Cursed Gnomes should have guaranteed runes. Too rare, too rare.
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