# Cursed Gnomes sometimes drop 0 Cursed Runes when killed during a GAP **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Reports\ **Created:** [December 15, 2021, 12:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346 "2021-12-15T12:18:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 12:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/1 "2021-12-15T12:18:35Z")
Usually they drop 1 or 2 but sometimes they drop nothing. I realize rewards are nerfed during a GAP but 0? Really? FYI they drop 13-15 when killed outside of a GAP. ---
**Author:** ![Tabu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tabu/32/63708_2.png) [@Tabu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tabu)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 12:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/2 "2021-12-15T12:33:58Z")
I did 6 GaPs last night, not a single cursed gnome. ---
**Author:** ![Neritar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/neritar/32/39263_2.png) [@Neritar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Neritar)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 12:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/3 "2021-12-15T12:40:17Z")
I had the same situation, Cursed Gnome in GaP (with Luther’s tutorial message, so no mistake) and 0 Cursed Runes in inventory after GaP, but I assumed Cursed Gnome just dropped Vault Key instead of Cursed Runes? ---
**Author:** ![Raistlin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/raistlin/32/61294_2.png) [@Raistlin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Raistlin)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 12:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/4 "2021-12-15T12:54:25Z")
I made the same assumption of it dropping a VK. I go too fast to see what the rewards are after each battle. ---
**Author:** ![Demonitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/demonitus/32/7655_2.png) [@Demonitus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Demonitus)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/5 "2021-12-15T16:32:26Z")
@Fleg I killed 2 Cursed Gnomes yesterday outside GAPs. The first one gave me 13 Cursed Runes, but the second one only gave me 10. I think the bottom of the range might be 10, not 13. And I totally agree with your point about Cursed Gnomes during a GAP. I thought no troops were supposed to drop NOTHING. Shouldn’t the minimum reward be at least 1? @Kafka ---
**Author:** ![Draegor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/draegor/32/70763_2.png) [@Draegor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Draegor)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 2:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/7 "2021-12-16T02:37:39Z")
The rate of cursed gnomes seems to be effectively 0. It should be on par with demon gnome or mecha gnome. ---
**Author:** ![Maisie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8edcca/32.png) [@Maisie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maisie)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 2:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/8 "2021-12-16T02:47:25Z")
I’ve had a few cursed gnomes; would say that they’re more on par with the band gnomes’ appearance rate. And yeah, cursed gnomes in GAP should not be dropping 0 runes. It was explicitly stated back when the GAP scaling nerf was introduced that gnomes _can’t_ drop 0 resources so the minimum drop from a gnome would be 1 resource. (That said, I’ve been running GAP at explore 6 with a Phoenicia team, to avoid the most punishing end of the speed/level scaling, and have mostly been seeing cursed gnomes dropping 4, 5, or 6 runes.) ---
**Author:** ![alv-thanos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/alv-thanos/32/62164_2.png) [@alv-thanos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/alv-thanos)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 2:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/9 "2021-12-16T02:54:20Z")
I had “zero” cursed runes, but 1 vault key instead. ---
**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 3:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/10 "2021-12-16T03:01:03Z")
It’s possible I got a vk not 100% sure. I will pay more attention next time it happens. ---
**Author:** ![Demonitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/demonitus/32/7655_2.png) [@Demonitus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Demonitus)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 4:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/11 "2021-12-16T04:39:34Z")
Cursed Gnomes outside of a GAP seem to have a very low spawn rate. In approximately 500 non-GAP battles yesterday I only encountered 2. 😭 ---
**Author:** ![Lina-RS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lina-rs/32/73074_2.png) [@Lina-RS](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lina-RS)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 8:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/12 "2021-12-16T08:00:35Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/2/b/2ba0ade0df4cacca46e3793524a766e9119c1a57.jpeg) During a Palooza… only a VK, no cursed runes? Is it supposed to work this way? ---
**Author:** ![rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@rojo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/rojo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 8:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/13 "2021-12-16T08:15:43Z")
I got 2 vault keys from them yesterday outside of GAP. IT was two in a row about 20 min apart. Rare AF then you get a vault key. Very disappointed in that nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![adriankzsr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ec8ea/32.png) [@adriankzsr](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/adriankzsr)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 8:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/14 "2021-12-16T08:40:21Z")
Cursed Gnomes are bugged how long we should farm until they spawn they boosted encounter chance My ass ---
**Author:** ![rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@rojo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/rojo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 9:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/15 "2021-12-16T09:27:50Z")
Another Fib. In other words Fake News. ---
**Author:** ![jpraveensn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jpraveensn/32/74494_2.png) [@jpraveensn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/jpraveensn)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 9:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/16 "2021-12-16T09:30:36Z")
I may be remembering wrongly, but the devs had clearly mentioned that zero would never be a drop during a GaP even if we are just playing Explore 1. ---
**Author:** ![jpraveensn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jpraveensn/32/74494_2.png) [@jpraveensn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/jpraveensn)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 9:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/17 "2021-12-16T09:31:50Z")
Starting today (Thursday) for one week, the appearance rate for Cursed gnome is gonna be higher. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 9:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/18 "2021-12-16T09:43:04Z")
> [@Maisie](#): > > And yeah, cursed gnomes in GAP should not be dropping 0 runes. It was explicitly stated back when the GAP scaling nerf was introduced that gnomes _can’t_ drop 0 resources so the minimum drop from a gnome would be 1 resource. They either drop their scaled rewards (with the quantity never going below 1) or a vault key. So far all evidence suggests that nobody received 0 runes as a drop, they received a vault key instead. Gnomes have always worked like this. ---
**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/19 "2021-12-16T09:55:07Z")
Except in the case of band gnomes who can’t drop a vk because a vk would actually be a worse reward than a verse. Imo cursed gnomes should be the same way because arguably a vk is a worse reward than 10-15 cursed runes. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 10:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/20 "2021-12-16T10:32:57Z")
> [@Fleg](#): > > Except in the case of band gnomes who can’t drop a vk because a vk would actually be a worse reward than a verse. Imo cursed gnomes should be the same way because arguably a vk is a worse reward than 10-15 cursed runes. It’s a bit of a corner case. Personally, I rather get a vault key than 1 - 2 runes during GaP. And I’d rather get 10 - 15 runes than a vault key outside of GaP. It feels like the core issue is that cursed gnomes are currently **WAY** too scarce. We currently have a vault weekend (triple gnome appearance rate) plus increased cursed gnome chance (probably also triple), and it still takes hundreds of battles for a cursed gnome to show up. When we are back to normal in a week they will be extinct for all practical purposes. If they had a remotely viable chance to show up then getting a vault key instead of runes wouldn’t really hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Lina-RS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lina-rs/32/73074_2.png) [@Lina-RS](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lina-RS)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 10:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cursed-gnomes-sometimes-drop-0-cursed-runes-when-killed-during-a-gap/73346/21 "2021-12-16T10:44:18Z")
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