# Counters and released troops **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [November 6, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/counters-and-released-troops/14984 "2016-11-06T20:57:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 16
**Author:** ![Kurokazna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kurokazna/32/11246_2.png) [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 12:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/counters-and-released-troops/14984/16 "2016-11-07T00:52:22Z")
> [@Strat](#): > > 14 BL/BR Magic +3 True Damage (2) enemies AND Drain Mama AND Stun. The closest TD is probably Watcher 12 Pu/Br Magic +2 True Damage (1) enemy AND drain 1 plus damage to adjacent. > > So far we would need 2 casts of Watcher at 24 Mana so far to emulate a part of EK. Didn’t @Velkyn already do this math? There’s a thread for this. Edit: I had to dig a bit for this > [@Emperor Khorvash Versus... (Troop Name Here)](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/emperor-khorvash-versus-troop-name-here/13239): > > Over [here](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-can-the-current-meta-be-topped/13198), @Kurokazna started comparing Moloch and Emperor Khorvash, in a discussion about the current meta of the game on PC/Mobile and that Khorvash is an extremely high powered troop. @Ivar countered with the idea of comparing Emperor Khorvash to Famine, Crimson Bat (for damage), Manticore, and Moloch rather than just Moloch because Moloch is an older legendary and therefore might not be an accurate measuring stick to compare new legendaries to. (Due to power creep and things like that.) I w… --- _[View the full topic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/counters-and-released-troops/14984)._