# Council of Chiefs **URL:** \ **Category:** Official News\ **Created:** [March 15, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053 "2020-03-15T23:01:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Voq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/voq/32/54089_2.png) [@Voq](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Voq)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/302 "2020-03-17T16:06:06Z")
This event makes me sad šŸ˜­. ---
**Author:** ![Arelana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/arelana/32/16081_2.png) [@Arelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arelana)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/303 "2020-03-17T16:10:53Z")
Ok, I _was_ annoyed at how much RNG this event involves while reading through peoplesā€™ posts yesterday. I held off on starting the event (as did my guild) because we were down a member. (We like everyone to get full rewards!) Now, having played a dozen battles or so, I am utterly boggled and Iā€™d go so far as to say **angry**. There is NO rhyme or reason to which battles you are offered. There is NO way to steadily progress. I leveled up a Legendary battle 5 or 6 times, then it disappeared and I was offered only unleveled battles. I leveled up a Mythic battle once, then it disappeared. I was offered a full set of unleveled Epic battles, and two rounds later, a whole other set of unleveled Epic battles. What the ever-living šŸ’© got into someoneā€™s head that made them invent this garbage? **Tinfoil Hat time!!** The random nature of the battles is not an accident. Based on current evidence, an unleveled Epic battle (the lowest-ā€œtierā€ type of battle a player is offered) is the lowest source of skulls. What are the chances that the RNG that serves up the battles isnā€™t actually full RNG, but has a built-in factor towards offering unleveled, lowest-tier battles, to slow down how fast players can earn collectibles, regardless of the tier they purchase? All purchases are now RNG. You could buy Tier 7 and half your battles could still wind up being against unleveled Epic opponents for microscopic rewards. The level of [redacted] that has gone into this event is completely off the charts. If this is the new normal for this gameā€¦I hope it crashes and burns. I am about an inch away from spouting a rant of epic proportions. šŸ˜” ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/304 "2020-03-17T16:13:38Z")
> [@Kafka](#): > > Just like we donā€™t explain guild war scoring exactly, weā€™re not planning on explaining the World Event scoring to the tee. However, much like Guild Wars we suspect youā€™ll all get a feel for how the scoring works and intuitively learn how to min/max your scores. I can see some of you are already working on tracking the data. There are already some pretty good ideas about the factors being involved, one of them being that higher account levels receive less score on average, due to their battles being perceived ā€œeasierā€. Which would also explain why you absolutely want to avoid disclosing the details, this ā€œreward scalingā€ approach already caused a huge backlash in PvP. I donā€™t think requiring high level players to fight more battles for the same rewards is a ā€œfunā€ design decision, especially when those battles cost a premium. ---
**Author:** ![Anoobis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@Anoobis](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Anoobis)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/305 "2020-03-17T16:37:45Z")
We can say goodbye to 10-20 players tying for first,might be the reason for this total randomness on scoring. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/306 "2020-03-17T17:14:39Z")
> [@Kafka](#): > > However, this is the first event of its kind to run so things may be tweaked in the future based on the data and feedback we collect. I donā€™t see how you are going to tweak the event whereas scoring will change every World Eventā€¦ Or do you mean to tweak for the next Council of Chiefs which should reappear in 37 months? šŸ¤” Is it going to be the same mess every new World Event? ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 5:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/307 "2020-03-17T17:17:58Z")
Speaking of tweakers. (Those who make tweaks to events.) > [@505 is the japanese\_ogre, I'm not a fan of Council of Blunders. I was hoping the portals were bugged. Nope, working as intended. Status quo with GoW these days. Honestly nothing new to see here folks. man\_shrugging](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/further-proof-that-council-of-blunders-is-actually-bugged/62093): > > Taken down by the author. Simply because good people shouldnā€™t take the blame for what bad people make them do. ---
**Author:** ![Dust\_Angel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dust_angel/32/35256_2.png) [@Dust\_Angel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dust_Angel)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 5:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/309 "2020-03-17T17:27:33Z")
Aside from this being the absolutely worst event ever, hereā€™s a fine piece of advice for you: _how about using a random number generator to create the leaderboard and winners? Just assign every user a random number, put them all in a random hat, then randomly pull out a random number from a random hat and put it in a random slot on a random leaderbord. Saves a lot of development time and resources; also saves our time and resources since thereā€™s no need for us to actually play anything anymore._ Why in the [expletive] should level 75 epic room give me the same number of skulls as level 130 legendary room? After two days there is not a single positive thing I could say about this newest addition. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/310 "2020-03-17T17:31:20Z")
The dumbest part about the ā€œThis is a test run to judge the numbersā€ non-argument is we have players on the forums who did the math in less than an hour, so thereā€™s not a good explanation for why the people who have all of the information didnā€™t do it. Again, I feel like Iā€™m being asked to believe, ā€œThe dev team is so stupid we need to replace them, they should not be trusted to handle moneyā€, or ā€œThe dev team believes Iā€™m so stupid I canā€™t do third grade mathā€. Either way Iā€™m really cheesed off. I absolutely do not trust a smart person who tells me to believe they are stupid. ---
**Author:** ![CanyonSurfer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8baadc/32.png) [@CanyonSurfer](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CanyonSurfer)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 5:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/311 "2020-03-17T17:33:31Z")
^^^^exact same sentiment ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/312 "2020-03-17T17:50:09Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/e/4ed6865b1daca7be813c04f8e6bc6f700dc6120a.png) Anywayā€¦ > [@Saltypatra](#): > > Please bear in mind that any of our events were planned well in advance of the current pandemic, and it does not have a bearing on our earlier decisions. Aside from being nearly off-topic ā€¦ nobody is saying anything about things being ā€œbecause thereā€™s a pandemicā€. What _was_ said is something along the lines of ā€œweā€™re all isolated in our homes and yet people still want to quit your gameā€. Consider it. I mean, personally, Iā€™ve got perfectly good games I havenā€™t even opened ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/313 "2020-03-17T18:06:10Z")
I think you misread that one. The post directly above Saltyā€™s quote was complaining that the devs are raising the cost of completion during difficult times. To which one can very reasonably respond that these plans were made, and the code nearly complete, long before any of this šŸ’© started to hit the fan. ---
**Author:** ![xolid99](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/xolid99/32/66856_2.png) [@xolid99](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/xolid99)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/314 "2020-03-17T18:18:20Z")
> [@Dust\_Angel](#): > > how about using a random number generator to create the leaderboard and winners? Just assign every user a random number, put them all in a random hat, then randomly pull out a random number from a random hat and put it in a random slot on a random leaderbord. Saves a lot of development time and resources; also saves our time and resources since thereā€™s no need for us to actually play anything anymore. We can go further. We can randomly select a random hat from an _unknown_ , location where we actually know the correct location, but canā€™t disclose it because we need to jumble it around, maybe give it an extra turn or two past 180 degrees (oops a random amount of degrees) or we could completely misfire, and the random hat could turn into a rabbit, or a bat, or could not even be there. We can then do an unknown random bench test, but might not be able to find a bench to test, we canā€™t explain how if we did a random bench test, it even if we knew, but it resembled throwing a plate of random pasta at one of 8 walls in any or some, or all of 4 buildings, some of which we might be able to access, others we could say we can access but we wonā€™t, but can lead you into believing that we know exactly which wall we throw the plate of pasta at, but just for a tease we wonā€™t tell you if we actually threw the random pasta at all, itā€™s up to you to guess that this is what we randomly did, but you know next time, we might randomly do something randomly different, but not explain if we randomly did it or not. If we randomly did throw a plate of pasta at a random wall, a random designer can then select a random strand of pasta, if the pasta is spaghetti or tagliatelli, or in the case of penne or tortellini could be a piece of pasta rather than a strand, but by random chance a random piece of pasta might not be on the random wall in the area the random designer chooses, because a random situation occurred and the pasta fell off the wall before the random designer, chose the random wall, in the random array of buildings, or a colleague ate the pasta or the bat from the hat did. If however randomly the random designer collected a random item of pasta from the random wall and reviewed it, it would resemble a sink hole, which when moving randomly close to from any random vantage point, could see a random number of thousands of dollars and millions of blue sparkling things contained within, or thousands of dollars, millions of sparkly blue things and thousands of mad people or it could contain thousands of dollars, millions of sparkly blue things and a note. We can then randomly decided to read the note, if we randomly found the note, which we might not be able to access because the sink hole randomly skipped somewhere else and peering within in again we see a random designer with a random hat, or is that actually a bat? If we did find a note, if someone randomly decided to leave a note in the random sink hole, which randomly might contain one the note could randomly say ā€˜here lies the souls of gems of war players, their wallets and their gemsā€™. I mean itā€™s close to what we have, no-one has a Scoobyā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Crow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/crow/32/44074_2.png) [@Crow](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Crow)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/315 "2020-03-17T18:31:19Z")
Heads up, i learned today that if you kill via skull match, youll get more skulls! I dont have more sigils please try. ---
**Author:** ![TheFarmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@TheFarmer](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheFarmer)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/316 "2020-03-17T18:34:46Z")
No, you donā€™t. I did 90% of my matches yesterday only killing with skulls and got very different results ---
**Author:** ![HounganAtLarge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hounganatlarge/32/28697_2.png) [@HounganAtLarge](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HounganAtLarge)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/317 "2020-03-17T18:41:49Z")
Sorry, but thatā€™s not true for everyone. Running doomed codex & 2 FOZ for skulls and still getting crap rewards. ---
**Author:** ![Redi1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/redi1/32/63215_2.png) [@Redi1](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Redi1)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/318 "2020-03-17T18:46:36Z")
Unfortunately I dont believe that is true. I killed exclusively with skulls just to test and I am being beat by several people that also used cyclops to kill. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/319 "2020-03-17T18:53:27Z")
> [@Crow](#): > > Heads up, i learned today that if you kill via skull match, youll get more skulls! I dont have more sigils please try. 90% of the troops I killed are from skull damage. So unless level 200 and epic rarity = 5 skulls is a high number. I donā€™t think this theory will ever be fact. ---
**Author:** ![Crow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/crow/32/44074_2.png) [@Crow](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Crow)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/320 "2020-03-17T18:56:00Z")
It was a hunch on my last sigil. Man i was so happy XD, this event is a mess indeed. ---
**Author:** ![unrumbadebu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/35a633/32.png) [@unrumbadebu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/unrumbadebu)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/321 "2020-03-17T19:02:54Z")
Registered just for the thumbs up šŸ‘ . This random copypasta will live through ages (which will be randomly rearranged or will randomly not be rearranged. So everyone will get randomly generated source for this pasta šŸ™‚ EDIT: In all seriousness: uncertainty in PVP results (with minimal fluctations considered right-colored troops are played in GW) arent equal to uncertainry in PVE that scales in difficulty but not in rewards (or when scaling is not defined properly hence rewards arent properly granted or cant be tracked and tied to an estimate). Itā€™s a shame that we get attitude like this and it seems (Tin Hat - on) that itā€™s the deliberate decision to standartisize PC and console players on content as console players will get things faster and they need to catch up for the things that are already done. Just to reiterate: it seems like opportunites to catch up for console players to the current state of the game are tied to stalling progress of firsthand playerbase. And that consoles became a priority for development efforts (Tin hat - off). ---
**Author:** ![Lorien1973](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lorien1973/32/75546_2.png) [@Lorien1973](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lorien1973)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053/322 "2020-03-17T19:58:09Z")
I got more skulls by standing on my left foot. Give it a try. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053.md?page=15) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/council-of-chiefs/62053.md?page=17)