# Congratulations to t0nerz, the latest #1 PvP BOT killer! **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [October 5, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338 "2016-10-05T03:17:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 5:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/63 "2016-10-08T05:41:36Z")
I checked, it’s not a replay button, only shows a profile. At any rate, what I said has value, measuring “reaction time” would catch most bots almost instantaneously. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 5:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/64 "2016-10-08T05:55:16Z")
Reaction time, not sure. The way some players play like @tacet for example, who try to move 2 gems before they are able would get in trouble by the reaction time thing. If there was a way to determine how long game length is and how often the games are posted against an already set timer, then bots would be easy to catch without getting innocent people in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 5:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/65 "2016-10-08T05:58:29Z")
> [@killerman3333](#): > > Reaction time, not sure. The way some players play like @tacet for example, who try to move 2 gems before they are able would get in trouble by the reaction time thing. If there was a way to determine how long game length is and how often the games are posted against an already set timer, then bots would be easy to catch without getting innocent people in trouble. Tacet does make a move in the same amount of time, nobody does. You know how the AI has no delay? A bot would behave similar, a static “reaction time” across thousands of moves and all faster than the human mind can process the whole board. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 6:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/66 "2016-10-08T06:01:51Z")
Maybe, however, isn’t it possible to exploit reaction time for bots by programming them to take slower moves? Even if it is waiting 1 second to take a move. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 6:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/67 "2016-10-08T06:09:30Z")
> [@killerman3333](#): > > Maybe, however, isn’t it possible to exploit reaction time for bots by programming them to take slower moves? Even if it is waiting 1 second to take a move. You’d have to set it to vary it’s reaction time or else a static time over thousands of moves would be detected. I’ve checked out the popular bots online, you can’t set any time, nevermind a varied set of times. Of course, if you wrote your own bot, you could do that, but custom bots are much more rare ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 6:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/68 "2016-10-08T06:25:02Z")
I do not trust bots for games, i have no idea if i might download a trojan that can wreck my pc. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 7:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/69 "2016-10-08T07:51:21Z")
The minute it comes to light that this is how they’re catching bots, the bots would have a setting to add hysteresis. It’d be simple enough to check the traffic hitting their server to confirm. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 8:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/70 "2016-10-08T08:53:00Z")
Never heard anyone use hysterisis for anything other than magnetisation. Y’all fancy ---
**Author:** ![LostInLust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lostinlust/32/19371_2.png) [@LostInLust](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LostInLust)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 9:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/71 "2016-10-08T09:56:49Z")
Maybe Russians? Maybe its some kind of experiment on society? Maybe they wanna check if, when driven on edge, society will lynch them ? 😱 ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 10:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/72 "2016-10-08T10:21:29Z")
Does Sister speak in chat? Can she say more than affirmative or I’ll be back? ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/73 "2016-10-08T13:44:33Z")
I’ve never seen Sister in chat or on the forum. ---
**Author:** ![Megabex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/91b2a8/32.png) [@Megabex](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Megabex)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/74 "2016-10-08T14:02:37Z")
The weirdest thing to me is that the number 1 right now has 200+ losses, that’s a big amount of losses in proportion to wins. The others below have way less than that. I’m suspicious but it could just be backing out for a bad matchup asap ---
**Author:** ![Koolbiird](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/koolbiird/32/5099_2.png) [@Koolbiird](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Koolbiird)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/75 "2016-10-08T14:15:09Z")
> [@Robert](#): > > Does Sister speak in chat? Can she say more than affirmative or I’ll be back? ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/1/1540d3146176ea6f80e49651b0742e3d31e094f2.png) She does have a sense of humor. Or at least she did. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/76 "2016-10-08T14:30:13Z")
Sounds like Sister is too busy farming to speak. And losses should be punished a lot more. ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/77 "2016-10-08T14:39:31Z")
> [@TaliaParks](#): > > > [@killerman3333](#): > > > > Maybe, however, isn’t it possible to exploit reaction time for bots by programming them to take slower moves? Even if it is waiting 1 second to take a move. > > You’d have to set it to vary it’s reaction time or else a static time over thousands of moves would be detected. > > I’ve checked out the popular bots online, you can’t set any time, nevermind a varied set of times. Of course, if you wrote your own bot, you could do that, but custom bots are much more rare The game only talks back to the server after a win or loss, not during the game. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/78 "2016-10-08T14:42:56Z")
Yeah this was already covered ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/79 "2016-10-08T14:44:58Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > The minute it comes to light that this is how they’re catching bots, the bots would have a setting to add hysteresis. It’d be simple enough to check the traffic hitting their server to confirm. In the meantime, all of the bots and their accounts are deleted. My experience is, when a cheat is caught, they move on to a new game and an easier target. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/80 "2016-10-08T15:06:07Z")
My experience is, bottling is a never-ending arms race between the developers and the black hats, with the latter always having the advantage of agility. ---
**Author:** ![Esoxnepa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esoxnepa/32/1837_2.png) [@Esoxnepa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Esoxnepa)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/81 "2016-10-08T15:08:29Z")
He did give a reason, more or less, that even having a lot of time on his hands and not much of a life, the game was over consuming it. He almost never posted on the forums, but every once and a while he would. > [@killerman3333](#): > > You forget before sister was number 1 there was another who took number 1 multiple weeks in a row. They silently left the game for some reason to which was never given. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 3:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338/82 "2016-10-08T15:09:10Z")
What experience are you speaking from, a programmer’s? Because, I should have stated earlier, I’m speaking from a gamer’s experience of 25+ years and competition. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/congratulations-to-t0nerz-the-latest-1-pvp-bot-killer/13338.md?page=5)