# Concerned For The Future Of The Game **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PlayStation 4/Xbox One)\ **Created:** [June 29, 2017, 3:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591 "2017-06-29T03:09:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Santandrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/santandrix/32/68758_2.png) [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/83 "2017-07-06T19:40:43Z")
All good, I would like to see a guardian fix tho and that’s about it, or remove the extra turn from mab. ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/84 "2017-07-06T19:41:57Z")
OH well i guess i will post the link again > [@3.05 on PC Looks Just like the Console](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-05-on-pc-looks-just-like-the-console/25633/31): > > We will explain it in more detail when we release 3.0.5, but the current answer is no. This version of 3.0.5 will ONLY be releasing on PC, and not on Mobile. Mobile will still be getting the non-Unity version of the game (same as what they are used to) with a majority of the same features as the PC Unity version. Some features will be missing from Mobile, including the animation speed, as this was something we could only achieve in the Unity version of the game. Since PC players and Mobile play… ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/85 "2017-07-06T19:43:09Z")
> [@Santandrix](#): > > remove the extra turn from mab. I don’t mind the conditional extra turn, especially since she can be frozen AND mana-shield makes her completely impotent. Taking the extra turn off would nerf her too much as an invade troop. ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/86 "2017-07-06T19:44:07Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#): > > you didin’t notice any changes? I swear i got the feeling justice miss more often Even though you asked Stan, I put my feedback. No change. As of yesterday Justice and Q Mab can still team wipe you as soon as Justice starts. I play with the daily colors so you need to be super duper extra careful, and sometimes that’s still not enough. ---
**Author:** ![Santandrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/santandrix/32/68758_2.png) [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/87 "2017-07-06T19:44:24Z")
We’ll know this is why I don’t make the game, I just play it.😀 ---
**Author:** ![Santandrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/santandrix/32/68758_2.png) [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/88 "2017-07-06T19:46:25Z")
All it takes is one Valk full to call it a wipe. Definitely makes for a inrersting match, then u get 4 more after, lol I also use a mono team daily so I am putting in lots of practice searching for these mab killers. Maybe time for a new topic. Favorite anti mab teams! Go ahead, ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/89 "2017-07-06T19:59:13Z")
yeah hard to see during GW i was talking in pvp in general i noticed this little change but like i said i might be more lucky recently but it didin’t happened only 1-2 time,you know i play lot of pvp fight so definitely think something been changed ninja styie also i use the same team i was using when it get the 21 turn looping and it happen less often, for me at least Edit: i know after 4-5 loops they still can destroy you but at least it’s not 21 turns 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/90 "2017-07-06T20:07:35Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#): > > think something been changed ninja styie I’m pretty sure that anything they could do would require a client update on the app (since the battles run without any contact with the server). I don’t think they could have ninja-fixed this… ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/91 "2017-07-06T20:09:31Z")
yeah i might just be more lucky rencently then, i will cross fingers so it stay that way 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![EmsDad15](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/emsdad15/32/31654_2.png) [@EmsDad15](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/EmsDad15)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/92 "2017-07-06T20:19:41Z")
Concerning Justice and Q mab. Before I noticed that this team will wipe the floor with me if I didn’t have the right line up. I was just going into battles blind. Now I have to scout em out every single time so I can see if these 2 are lurking round the corner. If they are…even just one of em in the line up will cause me to change my troop in the first position to my hero’s weapon…tiger and claw I think. Correct me if I’m wrong about the weapon name. But I’m assure of this. It brings that pesky troop to the front, deals damage, and most importantly Stuns that arse. This is the most effective way for me to win against these two. ---
**Author:** ![Calv1n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/calv1n/32/28721_2.png) [@Calv1n](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Calv1n)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/93 "2017-07-06T21:16:56Z")
This has been my experience when I was level 75-150 no major issues but after 200 and up now it’s so bad I don’t do any PvP ranked matches unless I have to for the daily and even then it costs me a fortune in gems to avoid these cascade to win teams. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/94 "2017-07-06T21:25:20Z")
There’s another thread going with some suggestions for Anti-mab teams. If you find one that works for you, you’ll be able to face them with some confidence and at least save yourself the gems from having to refresh your PVP choices. > [@Great teams to use against the "Justice league" for pvp or guild wars.. console edition](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/anti-mab-teams-for-guild-wars-or-pvp/27015): > > With all this talk about broken ai’s and infinite loops, how has everyone on console been handling these Valkyrie, justice, mab teams , in pvp and also in guild wars. I’m making this thread so players from all levels can find a team that will help them through all of this. Amira is a top pick of course and anyone immune to freeze. Try to pick a team who uses red, blue, yellow, so you can mana block them and gain it at the sane time. Stun is another good status effect. With the right team th… ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/95 "2017-07-07T03:14:53Z")
@Stan your wall text game was so strong I had to put on my glasses. 1. We are aware of the issue concerning the Justice meta, and we are currently working on adding several ways to fix this in the next udpate. There is no official word on what those will be, but they are being worked on as we speak. 2. Changing the algorithm will affect these looping teams if it works as intended. It makes it harder for them to keep looping, and PC players are already seeing this. There has been a lot of debate about the change, with some players wanting it to return to how it was, so we are looking into the algorithm further. We are working on finding the perfect sweet spot for both the AI and the player, so that the player can get a few loops off, while still making it so that the AI can’t fill one troop then loop your team into oblivion. This, alongside the other fixes we are working on, should work well together in order to stop this issue. 3. You may not be aware of this, but a combo breaker does exist in game. On console the AI is much fairer, and has a much better chance of getting lucky than the PC AI. The AI (this is for PVP specifically) is meant to scale as the player goes up in rank, until it matches the players luck at rank 1. However, as we released the Unity version for PC, we realised that there was a bug in this code, causing the AI to only be allowed a small percentage of the player’s luck, unlike the console build. This has now been fixed, and Tier 1 PVP players should be seeing the AI (in very extreme cases where the RNG is exceedingly lucky) only getting 3 times the amount of lucky events that the player does in a single match. They cannot possibly get more since the fix. So to answer your question that is how the combo breaker will work regarding cascades moving forward. TLDR, the combo breaker from PC will be coming to console. Yes the AI is “smarter”, but the change with gem spawning will be a small change that will work towards fixing this as I mentioned earlier. There will be other ways implemented as well. I’ve already touched on cascades earlier, but on console the cascades are much fairer between the player and the AI. It is on PC where the cascades lean in the favour of the player more often. Our team is well aware of the problems console is facing, and our lovely console devs are hard at work on fixing all of these issues for you. They are currently balancing everything with the future AI in mind across both console and PC/Mobile, which will all be in line soon. ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2017, 3:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/96 "2017-07-07T03:27:19Z")
Yeah i understand it might be hard to find the sweet spot, whatever you guys do, some people will say it’s too easy and other people will say it’s too hard. Anyway thank you for taking the time to answer. Like i said to alpheon please release some nasty troop while we are waiting so it make us forget we are still fighting that damn justice league 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/97 "2017-07-07T03:40:43Z")
Thanks for the thoughtful and thorough response. It may not have showed in that post, but I do understand how difficult it is to balance all of the different elements and appreciate the work of the whole team. It’s only because I love the game so much that I worry when things seem out of balance and see frustration getting out of control. ---
**Author:** ![death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@death](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/death)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2017, 4:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/98 "2017-07-07T04:04:15Z")
@Rickygervais I think they are tweaking it tbh. I have seen justice miss more times this week then ever before. Also I’ve had two guildies use him and cast once with 18blue with no extra turn. Other one was 21 blue on board before cast which also resulted in no extra turns ---
**Author:** ![Salibu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/salibu/32/23083_2.png) [@Salibu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Salibu)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/99 "2017-07-07T04:07:46Z")
Oh they tweaked him and made him weaker did they? [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/a/0/a0e443b443ebfa10114a90ffb9d25d31825fc752.jpeg "Boy...GoW is fun \*eyeroll\*") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gFa3Or41uk) #nope ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2017, 4:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/100 "2017-07-07T04:29:42Z")
> [@death](#): > > I think they are tweaking it tbh. I have seen justice miss more times this week then ever before. Interesting, i also noticed this but i been told it was just my imagination, i really have no idea if it’s true but from my point of view i see it looping less often, before it was able to make 20 turn in a row and this week it look like it miss shot after couple cast. This is really weird ---
**Author:** ![death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@death](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/death)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2017, 5:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/101 "2017-07-07T05:10:43Z")
@Salibu Just posting what I have noticed. Is it every match? Of course its not. Does justice still loop and get unlimited free turns. Yeah sometimes.😁 Lol, is that your gw team or your normal team you use to get flogged by justice? ---
**Author:** ![jeno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jeno/32/20235_2.png) [@jeno](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/jeno)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/102 "2017-07-07T05:22:18Z")
that probably doesn’t happen often, but wow. it doesn’t happen often, does it? [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591.md?page=4) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591.md?page=6)