# Class XP points no longer given in the Arena mode! Why?! **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [January 15, 2019, 10:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053 "2019-01-15T10:31:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Hoop](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hoop/32/34118_2.png) [@Hoop](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hoop)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 3:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053/63 "2019-01-25T03:35:37Z")
Either way, if this is the final answer, then i am ok with it. ---
**Author:** ![Cyrup](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cyrup/32/50181_2.png) [@Cyrup](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cyrup)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 3:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053/64 "2019-01-25T03:36:41Z")
By the way, dark chocolate is delicious. How dare you. **Edit:** Mind the language please. ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 3:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053/65 "2019-01-25T03:47:49Z")
> [@madking](#): > > Many time I’ve disagreed with you in the past, but that…I can’t accept this. Dark chocolate is the best, milk and white chocolate are…sh\*t 😂 Nah they are all sh\*t. ---
**Author:** ![Doll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/doll/32/69173_2.png) [@Doll](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Doll)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 5:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053/66 "2019-01-25T05:05:04Z")
Like many others have said, big mistake. What’s next? No seals for playing in the Arena ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 10:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053/67 "2019-01-25T10:50:51Z")
> [@Cyrup](#): > > Prior to 4.2.5, Arena was never intended to award XP/Class Wins. When 3.5 (Classes) released Arena was included in the patch notes to give a general overview of where Classes applied. I suspect player disappointment would be much lower if this had ever been communicated, or even hinted at, the past few years. The “yeah, we always said it works this way, we were just describing buggy behavior we couldn’t reveal to be buggy behavior” surprise move feels really cheap, especially since it seems to have become quite popular recently. Are there any other “bugs” pending to get “fixed”? Like events really supposed to cost real money instead of gems, glory shop packs really supposed to be restricted to VIP 10 and above, armor bonuses really only supposed to work for quests you can only do once? > [@Cyrup](#): > > As Arena doesn’t _have_ Classes, the ability to attach a Class to your team was inherently removed. As the Arena has a special type of team, technically the new system can’t add a Class. Weirdly enough, some talents of the last played class still bleed through into Arena runs, like 10% extra XP, so technically the new system still knows about the class. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 1:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053/68 "2019-01-25T13:31:42Z")
I’m not happy with it, neither are the low-level players who find Arena a more rewarding experience than getting their face ground off in PvP. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053/69 "2019-01-25T15:10:55Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#): > > suspect player disappointment would be much lower if this had ever been communicated, or even hinted at, the past few years. You mean like it appearing on the known issue list? 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053/70 "2019-01-25T15:37:25Z")
> [@vanyel](#): > > I’m not sure why people think that every game mode should provide the same array of rewards (trophies, souls, gold, class xp, etc). If we can get some amount of every reward/resource type from every game mode what’s the point in playing some of them? This is a fine point and I agree with it. One of the more interesting tradeoffs we’ve had in recent history was when it was decided that Explore wouldn’t give ingots. I thought it was clever to make us pick between traitstones and ingots. But I think what’s going on happens too much: Something releases with some quirks the devs don’t want. But they’re too busy moving on to the next big thing to deal with those quirks, so they just leave them. Later, when they’re doing something else, it becomes convenient to “fix” the thing that they didn’t like. Then, players are unhappy. That we got class XP at all in Arena was apparently “a bug”. But it wasn’t listed as a known issue or something that the devs were planning on ever addressing. It happened, there was no comment, we got XP everywhere else, so it made sense. This went on for months, with no comment from the devs. If it was a bug, they had plenty of chance to say “enjoy this while you can” or open discussion on it. They didn’t. Then, when they worked on the class change (which we wanted!), they got their chance. Since Arena depended on the old class-related stuff, it must’ve been pretty easy to tell Arena “there is no class”, which neatly removed the class XP. This was the moment they revealed to us that getting class XP in Arena was a bug. I get that they don’t _really_ have a policy that they have to remove something nice to give us something nice, outside of some very obvious economic balance decisions. But it is splitting semantic hairs to say, “We didn’t take anything away, you weren’t supposed to have this.” Nothing changes that from a player’s viewpoint, an arena run used to be worth 16 XP and now it’s worth 0. It’s valid for a player to say “this was taken away” whether it was a bug or not. I get the larger discussion, that maybe the devs don’t want you to be able to farm trophies _and_ Champion XP at the same time. I think that’s a good game design discussion. The problem is they let us do that for what, 6 months, without ever putting on the table that it was a thing that could suddenly change. But now I’m left where my favorite game mode only delivers rewards that incidentally matter to me. I don’t care about Trophies other than I know it’s important to the guild statistics wiener contest. Gold/Souls don’t really matter. I was really happy to have a low-bullshit mode I could get decent Champion XP from without disrupting my contributions to my guilds. Now I have to wade through round after round of repetitive PvP choices to get the same thing. It’s a net loss, I don’t care whether the old way was “a bug” or not. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053/71 "2019-01-25T16:37:50Z")
> [@Slypenslyde](#): > > That we got class XP at all in Arena was apparently “a bug”. But it wasn’t listed as a known issue or something that the devs were planning on ever addressing. It happened, there was no comment, we got XP everywhere else, so it made sense. Going by the 3.5 patch notes, it would have taken a really exceptional leap of faith to believe gaining champion XP within the Arena might not be intended: > [@3.5 Patch Notes](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-5-patch-notes/41212/1): > > Quests, Challenges & Explores give 1 XP to Champion Levels, all other battles (PVP, Arena & Events like Raid Boss) will give 2 XP > [@Slypenslyde](#): > > Then, when they worked on the class change (which we wanted!), they got their chance. Since Arena depended on the old class-related stuff, it must’ve been pretty easy to tell Arena “there is no class”, which neatly removed the class XP. This was the moment they revealed to us that getting class XP in Arena was a bug. That’s the part that really irks me. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love the way we are no longer locked into playing one class only for an extended period of time. But please, devs, **PLEASE** learn to communicate with your community. You knew exactly that removing champion XP from Arena wouldn’t be hailed as a Good Thing. Impacts braced: none. This would have gone down so much better if somebody had had the courage to speak up a month ago. Saying something like “look, we’d like to remove the class change fee, unfortunately the redesign requires us to cut champion XP from Arena, please discuss”. As it stands, this feels like yet another “bummer, they caught on quickly again, whose turn is it this time to get out from under the table and claim it was a bug all along?” situation. So much opportunity wasted, a man could weep. ---
**Author:** ![vanyel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vanyel/32/32071_2.png) [@vanyel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/vanyel)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053/72 "2019-01-25T22:07:39Z")
I think people like you who don’t care about the trophies will find the trade off of being able to set explore/dungeon/PvP/task team classes to ones you want to level while still being able to do raid/invasion/GW with stronger classes and not having the class held hostage by whatever the weekly event dictates will see it’s more conducive to leveling all classes. On the other hand the trophy-mongers still aren’t going to be happy because they’ve had the best of both worlds (fastest trophy production + leveling “crappy” classes without having to deal with their inefficiencies) taken away. Personally I could care less because I don’t do arena very often. There are more than enough other things to do to fill my GoW time that allow me to max out my classes as necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053/73 "2019-01-25T22:21:14Z")
Nothing you’re saying is wrong or silly. But here’s the point where we differ: > [@vanyel](#): > > Personally I could care less because I don’t do arena very often. This is why I care a lot: I play(ed) a lot of Arena. I like all the aspects of the new class system _except_ this. Overall, I’m spending fewer matches in every mode “wasting” XP. Every mode _except_ Arena. Which is the one I liked playing the most. It will go away eventually because in theory one day I’ll have every class maxed thus I won’t care about champion XP anymore. That’s… a long way off. I don’t want Arena to be “a waste” for that long. Again, nothing you’re saying is invalid. I don’t want to go back to the way the class system was. I initially said I thought this was a fair trade. Now I don’t think so. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/class-xp-points-no-longer-given-in-the-arena-mode-why/51053.md?page=3)