# Changes in Guild wars? **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Created:** [July 31, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153 "2017-07-31T20:03:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kronvidnet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kronvidnet/32/29052_2.png) [@Kronvidnet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kronvidnet)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/1 "2017-07-31T20:03:10Z")
Guild wars is back, many changes have been discussed, but did anything Change? Cant find any post regarding it, and if nothing changes, why the 2 week offline? ---
**Author:** ![Delinquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/2 "2017-07-31T20:06:55Z")
Here’s the announcement: [Lots of Previews - Guild Wars, Crafting, Dungeons, and more!](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/lots-of-previews-guild-wars-crafting-dungeons-and-more/27916) ---
**Author:** ![JohnDoe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/johndoe/32/18248_2.png) [@JohnDoe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JohnDoe)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/3 "2017-07-31T20:29:27Z")
We still need to know how the scoring works… ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/4 "2017-07-31T20:32:10Z")
> [@Please Devs answer me so i shut lol](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-devs-answer-me-so-i-shut-lol/28090/11): > > As I said earlier we are currently discussing what we will or won’t disclose. It’s probably worth waiting on us to make a further post. This is the answer we got yet > [@JohnDoe](#): > > We still need to know how the scoring works… ---
**Author:** ![Gilgamesh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gilgamesh/32/29022_2.png) [@Gilgamesh](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gilgamesh)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/5 "2017-07-31T20:36:02Z")
I think the defense bonus application is likely the most impacting factor I’d like to know up front. Its implications would directly effect all the other variables. ---
**Author:** ![Ghaleon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ghaleon/32/24539_2.png) [@Ghaleon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ghaleon)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/6 "2017-07-31T20:38:51Z")
That won’t come til the client update if I’m not mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/7 "2017-07-31T20:41:06Z")
Yup it will come in a small update after 3.1 ---
**Author:** ![Zelith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zelith/32/21457_2.png) [@Zelith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zelith)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/8 "2017-07-31T22:01:05Z")
The preview post as written says they are changing scoring now, with changes to player count (27 instead of 30) and defense coming later. So we’re nine hours from the first fights going live and don’t even know what the rules are. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/9 "2017-07-31T22:03:44Z")
Nope. @Saltypatra mentioned they were discussing what to share with us as far as what did change and how it will affect things but nothing had been said past that yet. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/10 "2017-07-31T22:08:51Z")
> [@Zelith](#): > > don’t even know what the rules are. We still know the colour bonus is unchanged, and have hints about other bonuses that will be in place alongside the “win with 4 troops standing” bonus. Why can’t people just be content trying to win and have fun, rather than having to know how to achieve the “perfect” score (which hopefully doesn’t exist anymore)? Scout your opponent, choose the best team to beat it, fight, repeat. ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/11 "2017-07-31T22:15:53Z")
@Stan Bro it’s like playing a chess game whitout knowing the rules this is just stupid to keep it secret ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/12 "2017-07-31T22:19:20Z")
No, it’s not at all like playing chess. You’re being scored on your performance, with what is hopefully a fairly comprehensive formula. Play well and you’ll be rewarded. Play well consistently and you’ll come out on top. If it’s anything like the old system, the most important things will be to: 1. Win; 2. Use 4 of the daily colors; And then a distant 3rd will be a mixture of these other things (whatever they are). ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/13 "2017-07-31T22:20:12Z")
Again you are presuming nothing confirmed yet ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/14 "2017-07-31T22:22:47Z")
Yes, I am presuming, but my presumption is based on what Sirrian said in his post plus the devs habit of changing as little as possible when things are working fairly well. I don’t think this is going to be as dramatic a change as some people are expecting. We’ll all know at least a little more by tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/15 "2017-07-31T22:38:27Z")
> [@Stan](#): > > We’ll all know at least a little more by tomorrow 100% Agreed. > [@Stan](#): > > No, it’s not at all like playing chess. @Rickygervais picked a poor analogy, its more like ‘Figure Skating’ with Judges that will score you on your performance, but you don’t know what each move is worth. I’ve been considering the reason they haven’t outlined the formula publicly, is so it can be ninja edited at-will if the need arises. ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/16 "2017-07-31T22:40:03Z")
300 for every fight are a big changes im pretty sure the fights are going to be closer so this is why i want to know how to do a little more points cause it could make a difference between position 1-2-3 ---
**Author:** ![Zelith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zelith/32/21457_2.png) [@Zelith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zelith)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/17 "2017-07-31T22:41:43Z")
If things were working fairly well then why did they take it off line for two weeks? Your premise is flawed. Only in games like Mao or Calvinball where not knowing the rules is part of the rules is it ever a good idea to go in blind. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/18 "2017-07-31T22:42:38Z")
> [@Strat](#): > > ‘Figure Skating’ with Judges that will score you on your performance, but you don’t know what each move is worth. I was thinking of judged sports when I wrote that, but I didn’t dare invoke a sports analogy after some of the discussions I’ve seen around here. I don’t disagree with this argument, to a point, but we know that the 4 “orthogonal” measures they are looking at are speed, mana efficiency, damage efficiency and troop efficiency. The only real question in my mind is speed - as in, is a looping team that wins on the 2nd turn fast or slow if it takes 25 casts to finish off the opponent over those 2 turns? I think your point about ninja-editing the formula is probably true, meaning that people that are trying to reverse engineer the formula are likely to be frustrated in their attempts. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/19 "2017-07-31T22:50:50Z")
I’ve been wondering if there’s still a cap… 1260 was the cap on the 300 point day. Is that still the case? ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153/20 "2017-07-31T22:54:59Z")
> [@Zelith](#): > > Your premise is flawed. > [@Lots of Previews - Guild Wars, Crafting, Dungeons, and more!](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/lots-of-previews-guild-wars-crafting-dungeons-and-more/27916/1): > > in fact I think almost every single KPI about the game was doing better than pre-guild wars. Look, I’ve never been a fan of GW and I’ve said as much many times in the forums. I did my daily battles out of a sense of obligation, sometimes enjoying them and oftentimes not. When Sirrian was saying that the KPI’s of the game were doing better than pre-guild wars, he’s talking primarily about getting more players to play more often and for longer, and I could see it having that effect on me and on others. Personally, I’ve enjoyed the game more in the last two weeks than I did in the weeks before that, but I played less. I can see the same effect on my guilds total seals count, which dropped from somewhere between 30 and 35 k for the last two weeks of GW to around 20 to 25 k in the last two weeks. You seem to be assuming that everyone wants to strictly maximize/optimize their GW score. I don’t. I’m more than content to maximize my _win/loss record_ while generally trying to do well in other respects. Whatever changes they make to GW, I hope it doesn’t result in me feeling like my hands are more tied than they were before. I think encouraging a sense of freedom in how to approach these battles is what they were going for with all this, and I’m going to embrace it. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-in-guild-wars/28153.md?page=2)