# Celestial Traitstones -- ......grind **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [December 23, 2017, 12:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278 "2017-12-23T00:33:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/21 "2017-12-27T11:31:47Z")
> [@Stan](#): > > In explore, your odds are about 1 in 16 for an Arcane and half of that for Celestials. So if you do 100 battles, you can usually expect around 6 arcanes and 3 Celestials. How sure are you regarding those numbers? I’ve been doing a fairly large amount of exploring, I seem to be getting a Celestial roughly every 100 battles. I’ve even recently started tracking drop count for each rarity, I’m now at 7 Celestials for ~700 explore fights. Arcanes are looking somewhat better, not even close to 1 in 16 though. ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 12:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/22 "2017-12-27T12:22:05Z")
When traitstones were originally introduced, the rates for Celestial and Arcane traitstones were determined to be roughly 0.67% and 2%, respectively (from what I remember). Multiply that by 3, which is what the Explore menu used to say was the boost to drop chances, and you get 2% and 6%; this is one Celestial every 50 explores, and one Arcane every 16 explores. So not 32 and 16, like people were saying above. They are either misremembering their Celestial rates or getting very lucky. Or the drop rates have changed. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/23 "2017-12-27T12:49:19Z")
> [@Grundulum](#): > > So not 32 and 16, like people were saying above. They are either misremembering their Celestial rates or getting very lucky. Or the drop rates have changed. That’s still a lot better than what I seem to be getting. I guess if drop rates had really been lowered, more players would have noticed by now. That suggests that I’m either having an amazingly long unlucky streak or something in my explore setup is somehow lowering the odds. I’m beginning to wonder if the number of surviving own troops somehow has an impact, I usually end up missing two Bombots. 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Druss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@Druss](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Druss)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 1:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/24 "2017-12-27T13:22:41Z")
Just a word of caution to all those stating they have excess celestials - you do know that every epic troop in the game requires 1 celestial , most legendaries need 2 & all mythics need 4 - that’s literally hundreds required. When I was just levelling troops that i needed etc I too thought i had excess celestials, once it comes down to beginning to trait EVERYTHING I soon learnt that I had nowhere near enough. I currently have no need for any arcanes at all (in fact have at least 50+ spare of most) but still need 70 odd celestials. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/25 "2017-12-27T13:51:58Z")
> [@Druss](#): > > Just a word of caution to all those stating they have excess celestials - you do know that every epic troop in the game requires 1 celestial , most legendaries need 2 & all mythics need 4 - that’s literally hundreds required. There’s also hero classes, they require 2 Celestials each to fully trait. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/26 "2017-12-27T17:12:03Z")
I wasn’t sure of the celestial rate. Sorry - should have checked my sources. I track my arcane drops but not my Celestials, and they are so infrequent that I have chalked up any variances to probability. If you’re grinding for Celestials, it’s an even bigger hill than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/27 "2017-12-27T20:15:28Z")
We are on Day 3 of tracking. (And they took away explore counting as a win ☹ ) 100 games so far Two kingdoms Swords Edge Leonis Empire 36 Minor Water 26 Minor Wind 6 Major Water 17 Major Wind 5 Runic Water 9 Runic Wind 1 Arcane Blade 0 Celestial ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/28 "2017-12-27T22:42:54Z")
Sad results, but don’t give up just yet. Sometimes i have similar results, (1 Arcane in 60+ battles) sometimes i have promising results (1 Arcane or Celestial in 15+ battles) and sometimes i have crazy lucky results as 3 Arcanes in 3 battles (happened today and twice this year in the past) or 4 Celestials in 4 battles (happened once this year). Try some faster teams, such as: - Valk, Rowanne, Elspeth, Valk (sacrifice the bottom Valk to fill the top one and then fill Rowanne) to get some souls in the process if you need. I gathered one million souls i needed for Dawnbringer with this team, and a long time later, at christmas, i crafted Pharos Ra… 😅 - Elspeth, Bombot, Hero Mechanist fully traited (black Manacles) and any mono-brown troop to be sacrificed. - On this week’s event you can use Coral Golem, Sunbird, Fire Bomb x2 and get some extra gold. In the long run it’s always good to get some extra resources while you grind. I hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/29 "2017-12-27T22:48:52Z")
Long story short, don’t ever craft any traitstones in soulforge, you are only robbing yourself. 2 celestials for 1 arcane is a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Courtaud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/courtaud/32/20160_2.png) [@Courtaud](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Courtaud)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/30 "2017-12-27T23:02:07Z")
> [@Ivar](#): > > Valk, Rowanne, Elspeth, Valk (sacrifice the bottom Valk to fill the top one and then fill Rowanne) to get some souls in the process if you need. I gathered one million souls i needed for Dawnbringer with this team, and a long time later, at christmas, i crafted Pharos Ra… 😅 > > Elspeth, Bombot, Hero Mechanist fully traited (black Manacles) and any mono-brown troop to be sacrificed. > > On this week’s event you can use Coral Golem, Sunbird, Fire Bomb x2 and get some extra gold. In the long run it’s always good to get some extra resources while you grind. I’d add - Sunbird, Rowanne, Fire Bomb, Fire Bomb for fast Arcane hunting and - Elspeth, TDS, Zombie, Zombie for fast Soul gathering ---
**Author:** ![Nephilim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nephilim/32/29092_2.png) [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 11:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/31 "2017-12-27T23:09:19Z")
If you want celestial stones, farm a mono colour kingdom. There’s more chance of dropping one. ---
**Author:** ![Nephilim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nephilim/32/29092_2.png) [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/32 "2017-12-27T23:11:36Z")
I did 35 explores today as part of the daily task, win 75 battles. I used crimson bat, Elspeth, penguin and coral golem and was surprised how quick it was. Was getting 1000 gold for a battle more or less too. ---
**Author:** ![Sin\_Ogaris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Sin\_Ogaris](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sin_Ogaris)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 11:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/33 "2017-12-27T23:19:15Z")
It could just be my imagination, but it feels like I have a higher chance of getting arcane/celestial at higher difficulty levels. But I haven’t tracked the data to confirm. ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 1:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/34 "2017-12-28T01:08:46Z")
> [@Ivar](#): > > extra resources while you grind I already have 500k souls. So I am doing gold - added and he just sits 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Draprion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/draprion/32/8238_2.png) [@Draprion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Draprion)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 6:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/35 "2017-12-28T06:24:34Z")
Is that true? Or speculation? ---
**Author:** ![Draprion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/draprion/32/8238_2.png) [@Draprion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Draprion)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 6:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/36 "2017-12-28T06:32:09Z")
I’m sure most people know, but for the benefit of some who might not, you do get 1 celestial if you buy the gem bounty in the dungeon on Sundays. So that’s another way to get 1 per week without forking out cash. ---
**Author:** ![Nephilim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nephilim/32/29092_2.png) [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 8:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/37 "2017-12-28T08:42:19Z")
Of course it’s true. 😀 There’s only one minor, major, runic and arcane and obviously celestial. With dual colour kingdoms there’s double the amount of other stones so statistically you’re more likely to be getting either an arcane or celestial. I know percentage is supposed to be the same but I have always found they chuck em out more freely. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 10:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/38 "2017-12-28T10:26:29Z")
> [@Nephilim](#): > > With dual colour kingdoms there’s double the amount of other stones so statistically you’re more likely to be getting either an arcane or celestial. There are roughly 20 Mythics, only one of them can be pulled from chests this week. Does this mean we are 20 times more likely to get a Mythic? 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![Draprion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/draprion/32/8238_2.png) [@Draprion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Draprion)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 2:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/39 "2017-12-28T14:09:45Z")
I thought that for any kingdom the odds of getting minors, majors, runics, arcanes and celestial are the same. Just that you have a 50/50 chance of getting one colour or the other. Would be good if a dev can confirm that. ---
**Author:** ![JuaitoR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/juaitor/32/11770_2.png) [@JuaitoR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JuaitoR)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278/40 "2017-12-28T15:36:57Z")
> [@Fleg](#): > > Long story short, don’t ever craft any ARCANE traitstones in soulforge, you are only robbing yourself. 2 celestials for 1 arcane is a joke. FTFY It’s ok to craft anything but arcanes. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/celestial-traitstones-grind/34278.md?page=3)